Pass the koolaid....when anyone quotes a CNN study, they have not been a critical thinker for some time. Nuclear is the answer and has been bailing out Europe for a decade now.....anyone that knows physics, knows the green energy reliance is possible to maybe 60-75% of load....you need base load units.....keep in mind, I'm saying this as a manager of grid operations.....you might want to listen a little.
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mspohr
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Basic reading comprehension.
You may not understand that CNN does not do "studies". They report "news".
The CNN NEWS article reports on a STUDY.
https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2019/03/19/1819989116
(Link to the STUDY is in the NEWS story.)
BTW, the STUDY says nothing about nuclear power. It's all about reducing fossil fuel pollution.
We understand that you are rooting for nuclear. Unfortunately, nuclear has taken itself out of the running due to outrageous cost.
JRP3
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Which speaks volumes about how poorly informed and/or dishonest certain members of the industry must be.
mspohr
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Fiddling while the world burns ....
IEA estimates that global CO2 emissions from energy generation increased by 1.7% in 2018. As others have reported, rapid increases in renewable generation are not coming nearly fast enough to offset increased consumption of fossil fuels.
IEA estimates that global CO2 emissions from energy generation increased by 1.7% in 2018. As others have reported, rapid increases in renewable generation are not coming nearly fast enough to offset increased consumption of fossil fuels.
Energy demand worldwide grew by 2.3% last year, its fastest pace this decade, an exceptional performance driven by a robust global economy and stronger heating and cooling needs in some regions. Natural gas emerged as the fuel of choice, posting the biggest gains and accounting for 45% of the rise in energy consumption. Gas demand growth was especially strong in the United States and China.
Demand for all fuels increased, with fossil fuels meeting nearly 70% of the growth for the second year running. Solar and wind generation grew at double-digit pace, with solar alone increasing by 31%. Still, that was not fast enough to meet higher electricity demand around the world that also drove up coal use.
As a result, global energy-related CO2 emissions rose by 1.7% to 33 Gigatonnes (Gt) in 2018. Coal use in power generation alone surpassed 10 Gt, accounting for a third of the total increase. Most of that came from a young fleet of coal power plants in developing Asia. The majority of coal-fired generation capacity today is found in Asia, with 12-year-old plants on average, decades short of average lifetimes of around 50 years.
March: Global energy demand rose by 2.3% in 2018, its fastest pace in the last decade
Demand for all fuels increased, with fossil fuels meeting nearly 70% of the growth for the second year running. Solar and wind generation grew at double-digit pace, with solar alone increasing by 31%. Still, that was not fast enough to meet higher electricity demand around the world that also drove up coal use.
As a result, global energy-related CO2 emissions rose by 1.7% to 33 Gigatonnes (Gt) in 2018. Coal use in power generation alone surpassed 10 Gt, accounting for a third of the total increase. Most of that came from a young fleet of coal power plants in developing Asia. The majority of coal-fired generation capacity today is found in Asia, with 12-year-old plants on average, decades short of average lifetimes of around 50 years.
March: Global energy demand rose by 2.3% in 2018, its fastest pace in the last decade
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Well, since Tennessee commissioned a Nuclear unit a year ago and Georgia is currently completing construction on 2 new nucs. I guess one of us, knows what they are talking about...... keep drinking the koolaid, or be courageous and take the red pill. As always it is your choice......reality is the place to live though.
Get back to me when ANY of Al Gores ridiculous predictions comes true.
You seem to confuse reality with fantasy....since grid operators know EXACTLY what it takes to run a grid, while fantasy commentators pine away about the way they wish it was, which ALWAYS goes against physics...... Theory is one thing, reality settles the case...... When you understand physics, you will understand the fallacy of your points.
mspohr
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Nuclear knows how to fleece the government and ratepayers.
Expensive electricity and takes decades to build. Irrelevant power source.
JRP3
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Physics, and the market, already dictates that renewables plus battery storage is superior.
Solar + Storage Half The Cost Of Gas Peaker Plants -- 8MinuteEnergy | CleanTechnica
A major U.S. electric utility has finally realized climate change is reality
That's why Tesla's Australian battery at Hornsdale wind farm has been saving the grid from crashing and making so much money.
Tesla’s giant battery saved $40 million during its first year, report says
WannabeOwner
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Most Americans want to reduce fossil fuel use, strongly support solar and wind, [Gallup] poll shows
most Americans support the general idea of dramatically reducing the country's use of fossil fuels over the next two decades as a way to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and address climate change. Six in 10 U.S. adults say they would "strongly favor" (27%) or "favor" (33%) policies with this energy goal, while fewer than four in 10 say they would "oppose" (19%) or "strongly oppose" (17%) them.
most Americans support the general idea of dramatically reducing the country's use of fossil fuels over the next two decades as a way to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and address climate change. Six in 10 U.S. adults say they would "strongly favor" (27%) or "favor" (33%) policies with this energy goal, while fewer than four in 10 say they would "oppose" (19%) or "strongly oppose" (17%) them.
nwdiver
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We need to find a NIMBY version for inaction.
Only If Someone Else Does It? OISEDI? Only If Free? OIF? Needs work.
Kinda like how some people might support nuclear, wind or solar.... just not near their home... there's also 'support' for renewables, but ZERO motivation to do anything on their part. Not sure how much 'support' is really worth if that only means they won't do anything to stop it. I've lost track of the number of people that 'want' solar... but only if it doesn't cost anything, doesn't go on their roof and won't take up any part of their yard.......
Let's start the PIMBY movement. Please, In My Back Yard!
SageBrush
REJECT Fascism
nwdiver
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~10 years ago most grid managers would have said 'Green Energy' is possible to ~20-35% now it's 60-75%. 10 more years it's gonna be 80-95%
After that we start using surplus wind or solar to split water, add a C from CO2 and make CH4. Pump that back underground and you have an effectively infinite 'battery'. That's how we get to 100%.
WannabeOwner
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Got that problem here ... Planning is a nightmare, Planners often rejecting before Public gets a chance to even bother to say anything - e.g. in middle of farmland not near any house.
So we've put all ours (in UK) out in the North Sea ... that has turned out OK, installation-cost fallen dramatically, but lots of farmers I know disappointed they couldn't just stuff them in their fields.
But OTOH we have prime agricultural [what was] arable land completely covered in PV, and on what? 20 year contract at least. Completely nuts
Merrill
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Those are great stories and shows what people can do if they want to, would love to see the dodos in charge take some of those billions they want to spend on the wall and give these people scholarships to get retrained in the clean energy sector. I know, I’m dreaming again.
mspohr
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UK barrister wants to create a law against destroying the environment.
There are no effective safeguards preventing a few powerful people, companies or states from wreaking havoc for the sake of profit or power. Though their actions may lead to the death of millions, they know they can’t be touched. Their impunity, as they engage in potential mass murder, reveals a gaping hole in international law.
The destruction of the Earth is a crime. It should be prosecuted
The destruction of the Earth is a crime. It should be prosecuted | George Monbiot
She has started something that will not end here. It could, with our support, do for all life on Earth what the criminalisation of genocide has done for vulnerable minorities: provide protection where none existed before. Let it become her legacy.
There are no effective safeguards preventing a few powerful people, companies or states from wreaking havoc for the sake of profit or power. Though their actions may lead to the death of millions, they know they can’t be touched. Their impunity, as they engage in potential mass murder, reveals a gaping hole in international law.
The destruction of the Earth is a crime. It should be prosecuted
The destruction of the Earth is a crime. It should be prosecuted | George Monbiot
She has started something that will not end here. It could, with our support, do for all life on Earth what the criminalisation of genocide has done for vulnerable minorities: provide protection where none existed before. Let it become her legacy.
WannabeOwner
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UK carbon emissions fell three per cent in 2018
The UK's carbon emissions fell by three per cent last year, thanks largely to the ongoing decline in coal power in the country's electricity system.
Emissions from the power sector fell 10 per cent last year on 2017 levels, while transport emissions fell by three per cent, mainly thanks to gains in fuel efficiency, according to BEIS. Wind provided a record 17.1 per cent of the UK's electricity last year, with 9.1 per cent from onshore wind and eight per cent from offshore wind - both new annual records.
Overall CO2 emissions are now down to a level not seen in the UK since the 1890s
The UK's carbon emissions fell by three per cent last year, thanks largely to the ongoing decline in coal power in the country's electricity system.
Emissions from the power sector fell 10 per cent last year on 2017 levels, while transport emissions fell by three per cent, mainly thanks to gains in fuel efficiency, according to BEIS. Wind provided a record 17.1 per cent of the UK's electricity last year, with 9.1 per cent from onshore wind and eight per cent from offshore wind - both new annual records.
Overall CO2 emissions are now down to a level not seen in the UK since the 1890s
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