I may have picked the wrong post to respond to, but you had made an earlier comment about the herd immunity strategy being viable. I was pointing out some of the ways in which it is not viable. You still have not admitted to any of the points made in that post by me as valid concerns. So once again golfcart you seem to be focusing all the minutiae and missing the big picture, badly. As for what's quote-unquote going off the rails, that might better characterize our Administration response to the covid-19 pandemic. It's been off the rails for a long time. And you again don't seem to be able to see that.
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I may have picked the wrong post to respond to, but you had made an earlier comment about the herd immunity strategy being viable. I was pointing out some of the ways in which it is not viable. You still have not admitted to any of the points made in that post by me as valid concerns. So once again golfcart you seem to be focusing all the minutiae and missing the big picture, badly. As for what's quote-unquote going off the rails, that might better characterize our Administration response to the covid-19 pandemic. It's been off the rails for a long time. And you again don't seem to be able to see that.
Ozarks public health workers feel 'hated' in Covid-19 spike - CNN Video - video is about 3.5 minutes long
Morons! Seems like the most of the residents in that region are anti-maskers Gee... I wonder why their test positivity rate is past 30%?
Daniel in SD
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Why? What am I missing? COVID19 is still out of control in the US and getting a second wave in much of the rest of the planet.
Daniel in SD
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Daniel in SD
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I'm looking into it and it appears that COVID is not over.
The good news is that President Trump will be able focus on the problem full time now that the campaign is over.
The good news is that President Trump will be able focus on the problem full time now that the campaign is over.
Yes that's a huge relief isn't it?
Our wonderful president has made it clear that this is just a 'Ghina' virus And it will magically go away just like hes already won the election. Does anybody think there's an awful lot of magical thinking in this administration about Covid?
Doggydogworld
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It's true! I watched CNN all morning and they didn't post a single COVID infection chart or interview a single doctor! No more "COVID, COVID, COVID", just like Trump said....
It's a miracle! He did say it would disappear, just like a miracle! He was right!
You folks are just not very smart about COVID's location today. You keep looking in the wrong spot. It has moved around the corner!
Part of the why?
1996 Inefficiency of upward displacement operating theatre ventilation - PubMed
' In general the upward displacement system removed dust particles too small to carry bacteria (0.16-<0.3 microm, 0.001<P<0.01) more efficiently than the conventional system. However, the displacement system also yielded two to threefold higher air and surface bacterial counts in areas important for surgical asepsis (wound area, instrument table) especially with regard to bacterial sedimentation (0.001<P<0.05). The major shortcoming of the displacement system was insufficient elimination of the larger bacteria-carrying particles.'
It seems our hospitals are optimised to reduce bacterial and larger droplet infection compared to dehydrated and aerosolised viral infection.
So although dilution is the solution, its not that simple in hospitals.
1996 Inefficiency of upward displacement operating theatre ventilation - PubMed
' In general the upward displacement system removed dust particles too small to carry bacteria (0.16-<0.3 microm, 0.001<P<0.01) more efficiently than the conventional system. However, the displacement system also yielded two to threefold higher air and surface bacterial counts in areas important for surgical asepsis (wound area, instrument table) especially with regard to bacterial sedimentation (0.001<P<0.05). The major shortcoming of the displacement system was insufficient elimination of the larger bacteria-carrying particles.'
It seems our hospitals are optimised to reduce bacterial and larger droplet infection compared to dehydrated and aerosolised viral infection.
So although dilution is the solution, its not that simple in hospitals.
Role of air distribution in SARS transmission during the largest nosocomial outbreak in Hong Kong
2004
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1600-0668.2004.00317.x
I'm starting to consider that the difference between the EU/USA response compared to the "chopstick" sino sphere of Taiwan down to including Australia, is that the EU/USA is using lessons learnt from AIDS in the 80's 90's and ASEAN is using lessons leanrt from SARS 2004.
(To be precise, i use the term chopstick to exclude the cultures of Indonesia, malaysia, philipines etc. But to include vietnam and thailand ( even though thai is spoon and fork, not chopstick)
2004
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1600-0668.2004.00317.x
I'm starting to consider that the difference between the EU/USA response compared to the "chopstick" sino sphere of Taiwan down to including Australia, is that the EU/USA is using lessons learnt from AIDS in the 80's 90's and ASEAN is using lessons leanrt from SARS 2004.
(To be precise, i use the term chopstick to exclude the cultures of Indonesia, malaysia, philipines etc. But to include vietnam and thailand ( even though thai is spoon and fork, not chopstick)
Second wave of SARS-CoV2 caused by more transmissible/infectious strain:
https://mbio.asm.org/content/11/6/e02707-20
https://mbio.asm.org/content/11/6/e02707-20
Daniel in SD
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You can see from their graph that the first wave was also caused by the more infectious G614 strain. The original D614 strain from China just completely disappeared in the second wave. The G614 which originated in Europe has been the dominant strain since March. There is some evidence that there is a new new straining Europe that may be more infectious.
No, time to start blaming the problem on the *real* culprit: the US senate.
Daniel in SD
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Luckily for the next Senate cases will probably be on the downswing by January 3rd. It's a fact that in the real world exponential growth cannot increase forever. As the wise Elon said:
Herd immunity (we're going for it!), behavioral changes due to massive disease burden, and warmer weather should bring us to near zero cases by the end of April. Hopefully a vaccine will knock out the wave coming next fall.
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