Current S60 owners - how’s battery/ supercharging?

[SilverSp33d3r]

I’ve bought a Dec2014 S60 in September of 2017.
When I purchased the vehicle at ~58k miles it charged to 202 Miles full. I was able to supercharge from 15 % to 90% in roughly 45 mins. Road trips did not require much additional time charging.

Now, at 72k miles my full range is 187, with supercharging from 15-90% taking 15 mins longer. My charging taper seems to be SOC + kW charge rate = 95-98.
Total capacity in my battery seems to be 53kWh.

I compared my times on empty stations with ambient temperatures at the same 69 degrees.

I’m just curious to know how any other owners with similar cars/ miles are doing regarding performance of supercharging/ full range?

 

[Rifleman]

I have to classic S 60's.

The 2013 is at 87,000 miles, and its 90% charge is currently sits at 177
The 2014 is at 88,000 miles, and its 90% charge is currently sits at 181, although it had a warranty battery replacement at 40k miles.

If the cars are below 40% state of charge, they both supercharge in the 90-100 kw range. Once they get to 40%, they drop to around 50 kw, and above 60%, they drop to 30 kwh. By 80% we are down to 20, and above 90 we are around 10.

a 15-90% charge is probably close to a 90 minute charge for us, on both cars. definitely makes long road trips a bit more difficult.

I am pretty happy with how the batteries are aging from a capacity standpoint, but the supercharger rates are definitely slowing down over time for us.

 

[SilverSp33d3r]

I have to classic S 60's.

The 2013 is at 87,000 miles, and its 90% charge is currently sits at 177
The 2014 is at 88,000 miles, and its 90% charge is currently sits at 181, although it had a warranty battery replacement at 40k miles.

If the cars are below 40% state of charge, they both supercharge in the 90-100 kw range. Once they get to 40%, they drop to around 50 kw, and above 60%, they drop to 30 kwh. By 80% we are down to 20, and above 90 we are around 10.

a 15-90% charge is probably close to a 90 minute charge for us, on both cars. definitely makes long road trips a bit more difficult.

I am pretty happy with how the batteries are aging from a capacity standpoint, but the supercharger rates are definitely slowing down over time for us.

I completely agree the capacity seems to be pretty stable compared to my previous EVs, however it is interesting that even with less capacity the charging takes longer. Initially I thought supercharging was hindered when range mode was turned on but it appears the change I saw was not due to range mode.

 

[Rifleman]

I completely agree the capacity seems to be pretty stable compared to my previous EVs, however it is interesting that even with less capacity the charging takes longer. Initially I thought supercharging was hindered when range mode was turned on but it appears the change I saw was not due to range mode.

My assumption is that they tweaked the supercharging taper rates through software on the classic 60's. I know alot of early 60 packs had very bad range degradation (my 2014's origonal pack was down to 159 @ 90% when they replaced it, although it was replaced for a different issue). If high charge rates latter in the charge cycle were hurting the 60, it would make sense to change the rates through software.

 

[DonD]

I have to classic S 60's.

The 2013 is at 87,000 miles, and its 90% charge is currently sits at 177
The 2014 is at 88,000 miles, and its 90% charge is currently sits at 181, although it had a warranty battery replacement at 40k miles.

If the cars are below 40% state of charge, they both supercharge in the 90-100 kw range. Once they get to 40%, they drop to around 50 kw, and above 60%, they drop to 30 kwh. By 80% we are down to 20, and above 90 we are around 10.

a 15-90% charge is probably close to a 90 minute charge for us, on both cars. definitely makes long road trips a bit more difficult.

I am pretty happy with how the batteries are aging from a capacity standpoint, but the supercharger rates are definitely slowing down over time for us.

An additional data point for those wondering about battery life with the "classic" S60; my 2013 S has 119,500 miles (original battery, replaced drive unit) 100% charge now registers 183 miles rated range.

 

[jruiz510]

An additional data point for those wondering about battery life with the "classic" S60; my 2013 S has 119,500 miles (original battery, replaced drive unit) 100% charge now registers 183 miles rated range.

What was the range of S60 classic brand new at 100%?

 

[SilverSp33d3r]

What was the range of S60 classic brand new at 100%?

208 was the advertised range. Found an interesting chart on the model 3 forum that shows all models.

Tesla Model S/X/3 range at 55/60/65/70/75/80 mph

 

[SilverSp33d3r]

Was able to finally connect using TM-Spy, battery now has 53.9 KWH remaining. I guess I shouldn’t complain that’s about 10% degregation over 74,000 miles. If only charging speeds could maintain like they used to.

 

[Vinc]

I’ve bought a Dec2014 S60 in September of 2017.
When I purchased the vehicle at ~58k miles it charged to 202 Miles full. I was able to supercharge from 15 % to 90% in roughly 45 mins. Road trips did not require much additional time charging.

Now, at 72k miles my full range is 187, with supercharging from 15-90% taking 15 mins longer. My charging taper seems to be SOC + kW charge rate = 95-98.
Total capacity in my battery seems to be 53kWh.

I compared my times on empty stations with ambient temperatures at the same 69 degrees.

I’m just curious to know how any other owners with similar cars/ miles are doing regarding performance of supercharging/ full range?

Same car, same miles, same supercharging performance, slightly higher range (around 190).

 

[SilverSp33d3r]

Recently I gained access to the BMS thru TM-Spy. I’ve found my 50% battery indicator to show 29kWh remaining in the pack however the % shown by the car and TM-Spy is off by 3-4%, has anyone seen this before?

 

[SilverSp33d3r]

Recently at the San Luis Obispo charger on 3b with 70 degree ambient air temps. I drove for about 2:20 min from Monterey Ca. Only vehicle at the SuC, I started charging at 98kW ~13% and dropped extremely fast. 34% tapered already down to 58kW. Has anyone with the older tech cars experienced this? Car told me estimated charge time 50 min, took 85min to get required energy for next stop(Oxnard ca).

 

[jruiz510]

View attachment 432251 Recently at the San Luis Obispo charger on 3b with 70 degree ambient air temps. I drove for about 2:20 min from Monterey Ca. Only vehicle at the SuC, I started charging at 98kW ~13% and dropped extremely fast. 34% tapered already down to 58kW. Has anyone with the older tech cars experienced this? Car told me estimated charge time 50 min, took 85min to get required energy for next stop(Oxnard ca).

Happened to me on my 2018 MS 75D with only 16K miles on it....it was stuck on 40~50 mins when actual charge time was 1hr 15 minutes.

 

[one-ten]

I did a full supercharge from 0 to 100 % today. I have a 2013 S60 with 135000 km's (84500 miles). A full charge was 54 kW's and my range at 100% was 335 km's, 209,5 miles. I manually noted charge rate at every percentage, and noted the minutes it took. Here's my chart:

Blue line is speed in kW, grey line minutes it took..

 

[SilverSp33d3r]

Am I seeing 90 min to 80%?

 

[one-ten]

No, the bottom is the percentage, so 60 minutes to 80%

 

[Leeboy22001]

I have a 2014 classic S60, just 50k miles, range is down to 168 miles (211 UK rated) ! ... yet Tesla says My battery is fine !

 

[one-ten]

168 rated range? or 211 rated and 168 real range, because that would be almost the same as mine...

 

[Leeboy22001]

168 rated range? or 211 rated and 168 real range, because that would be almost the same as mine...

UK spec uses rated and typical, typical is the same as rated, and rated is the same as real in the US

Is yours is 168 rated miles ? If so that is the same as my 168 typical miles

When new rated was 242, typical was 208.

Interestingly, the percentage drop is not the same !
242 to 211 = 13% drop
208 to 168 = 19% drop

 

[one-ten]

I'm not sure about rated or typical here in Holland. My real possible range is 168 miles ( if I drive slowly). I have forgotten where in the software I can find the different modes..

 

[Vinc]

Quick question. What is the expected behavior, battery charging up to 100% but not providing the expected range, or battery not reaching 100% when full? For a few weeks now mine tops off at 97%.