navguy12
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I did not know that,,thanks.It isn't used but it isn't bypassed either.
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I did not know that,,thanks.It isn't used but it isn't bypassed either.
Tesla states “unlimited mile battery” but then says they won’t cover degradation from usage.
Model 3 with Standard or Mid-Range Battery - 8 years or 100,000 miles, whichever comes first, with minimum 70% retention of Battery capacity over the warranty period.
Model 3 with Long-Range Battery - 8 years or 120,000 miles, whichever comes first, with minimum 70% retention of Battery capacity over the warranty period.
That seems simple and straightforward and it should be easy to measure.In case anybody's curious in what Tesla actually says about the Model 3 battery warranty, from Vehicle Warranty
That seems simple and straightforward and it should be easy to measure.
This thread has had a lot of obfuscation and outrage over something that should be simple so there are probably personal factors at work here with unrealistic expectations.
It seems the owner is fixed on the idea that he has a defective battery and wants a new one. However, the sketchy information provided isn't clear. He may have a charger problem or is just confused. I believe Tesla has investigated his car and found no problem but the owner doesn't want to hear that and seems convinced they are acting in bad faith. Not my experience in my four years.There have been a few of these very long threads I've been part of here, and the overwhelming majority of them have had a simple initial cause. The owner doesn't know or understand something, they don't look for what they don't know, and Tesla has generally done a not great job at providing consumers information.
In the case of claiming Tesla warrants their batteries forever, that was obviously not right because no auto manufacturer has a forever warranty. They publish their warranty info right on their site, and that's no problem. In other cases I've seen, the information has been in the manual and the new owner hasn't bothered to read it.
But in the case of this thread, Tesla offers very little technical information about their charger network and what types of speeds you can expect under what conditions, and what factors will lead to the charger itself charging more slowly. There are hundreds of anecdotes, but no hard facts from Tesla. Meanwhile, the original poster has an answer in his mind that must be the root cause. His battery is defective. But what he doesn't seem to realize is that a defective battery would also show up in missing range, cells with low voltage, missing cells from the BMS's data, and so on. Again, Tesla could demystify this for new owners that maybe don't fully understand how their car works, and how a technician can remotely see that all cells are present, charge is balanced, and there are no problems with getting energy into the pack.
Being the most popular EV brand on earth is a blessing and a curse.
Sorry folks I dropped off this thread for a little while. I appreciate the positive comments from people that actually read the issues. I am currently working on building a very solid case here. Using a 2nd Model 3 (2 weeks apart production same LR RWD) in the same stalls with same SOC and all other controllable variables to demonstrate that no matter what I do I get much slower charge rate. I do not want to reply much because some people are quite uneducated here or they are trolling on behalf of Tesla. I want nothing more but for Tesla to succeed and for my car to be trouble free but that doesn't mean I should swallow their nonsense.
I don't want to go and quote a few people here but a few folks were stating that I am all wrong when I look at the charge rate and instead stated that I should be looking at miles/hour being added. That was the most obnoxious thing I had read in quite awhile. Using some arbitrary unit to measure something that is measured in actual units. You would not be sitting at a gas pump and counting how many miles per minute you are filling up? Would you? You are paying for liquid in gallons, liters, or whatever else you want to measure liquid in and you should not measure current in miles. It's really off the wall statement.
Another thing is someone giving advice on communication and how one should speak to people that are lying and all that other fun stuff. How to do social engineering and how people will stop helping you if you call them out on their lies. Thank you, Mr. Keyboard Psychologist, lucky for you my spouse is a real one so forgive me if I take your advice with a grain of salt.
While I do not agree with some of you I can appreciate that some of you are skeptical in a professional matter. You are right, this is only my side of the story and while I have no reason to lie on my side I can totally understand your concerns.
I'd further like to restate that I do really enjoy my car and the vision of the company. I don't like their how unethical they are but I suppose to compete in this very unethical industry one must stoop down to their level. I just hate how they advertised no middlemen (dealers) structure and that service department is not supposed to be a profit center but in reality everything is totally different. I do plan to place a deposit for the Model Y once it is announced.
I have a funny story to share. Two cars back I had a Subaru LGT. I recently was cleaning out my garage and discovered I still had a roof rack. I listed it on LGT forum and met up with some guy who picked it up. The guy pulled up and was like hey I used to work at Tesla! I figured somewhere locally in NJ but turns out no he was a shift supervisor in the body shop in Fremont. We chatted for about 30 minutes. This guy had so many stories to tell about how dysfunctional production is and why nothing ever lines up and why the paint sucks. He did state that he left them 1 month prior to Model 3 begging production so perhaps things have changed but he explained to me in great detail why the door on the Model S would not line up and man what an interesting inside that was. The guy apparently used to work at Subaru in Indiana prior to going over to Tesla and said the production tightness and overall the way manufacturing is executed is night and day. Obviously as I stated above it's only 1 side of the story but IMHO this guy had nothing to gain. He pointed out a few things on my car and explained how they are built and where discrepancies come from but again this is an unverified source and his only experience was with body production and paint shop.
Finally, someone here had a very nice long quoted post and decided to throw in his parenting advice. I will read everything you have to say but as soon as you start dishing out parenting advice, whomever you are - the conversation ends right there. I stopped reading right after that. I'm sorry if that offends you but giving strangers parenting advice in my book is plain wrong. Most parents I know tell me the same thing, as soon as someone begins telling them what to do with their child they stop listening or write that person off. Unless you are a pediatrician and you are familiar with my kids and I am there to see you for your expert opinion - we got nothing to discuss. Some new parents end up in ER only a few days after discharge because people like yourself begin telling them what to do or what they are doing wrong and they end up in a panic? Unable to feed their child, and reading into things that are not there. Next time you speak your worthless parenting advice to anyone consider that you are contributing to rising health care cost. Perhaps, it's too much in a Tesla forum but you know...