The problem is they tried to do that in January by lowering the prices first by $2,000, and then by another $1,100. And they still were not generating enough demand to keep selling as many cars as they were producing. The market for people willing to purchase cars in the $45K+ range is much smaller than the market for people who can buy a $35-$37K car. If they hadn't introduce SR and SR+ they would have too much surplus. Elon's goal was to make EVs affordable to the masses. The early prices were intended to capture the market for early adopters who were willing to pay more to be first in line. All of those people bought their cars by now. There aren't many left. I think Elon did what he had to do to survive.
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Did Tesla’s Sale Alienate Everyone?
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The problem is they tried to do that in January by lowering the prices first by $2,000, and then by another $1,100. And they still were not generating enough demand to keep selling as many cars as they were producing. The market for people willing to purchase cars in the $45K+ range is much smaller than the market for people who can buy a $35-$37K car. If they hadn't introduce SR and SR+ they would have too much surplus. Elon's goal was to make EVs affordable to the masses. The early prices were intended to capture the market for early adopters who were willing to pay more to be first in line. All of those people bought their cars by now. There aren't many left. I think Elon did what he had to do to survive.
DB-Cooper
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Yup as a P3D+ owner who bought after the PUP debacle, I would’ve paid $5K more and not felt any different. There is no other car in the field like this, no need to play shenanigans. They could learn a lot from Apple in holding their line on price. I had no issue with a $35K stripped down Model 3 when I paid $75K’ish for my P3D+ just as I never complained paying for a BMW M3 when my friend bought a 320i. They royally messed up.
Tens of thousands of dollars is significant to me. A million dollars much more so. And yet it is a cheap price to pay for the future that I, and I assume the vast majority of people here, hope for. Everything else is just details. I do not believe what you say about zero controversy. I do not believe it was ever a real possibility, regardless of the scenarios you present. Perhaps there was a better path. But hindsight is always twenty-twenty and likely this better path is just an illusion.
If you stretched yourself to buy a Tesla, particularly if you have a family, this was a mistake. But you were a volunteer. And you also have an incredible car while simultaneously paving the road for true mass production of electric cars and global wide adoption. I salute and congratulate you! What did you really lose in the end? Some money? What do you gain if Tesla succeeds?
What will you lose if Tesla’s stated mission fails? What will the family or individual with the short term financial issues lose in the future?
The mission is great and many believe in it, including me. A car manufacturer has to be smarter than this, though. A company of 50,000 people has to be rational enough to anticipate public reaction. I don’t think there’s any hindsight to something as basic as this. I am not that smart and I can tell if something is a bad idea before it happens. It’s a matter of common sense. When the tax tefund drops $3750, drop the price to match. Then do it again twice more at $1875 each. Launch your cheap version of autopilot, but don’t forget the promise you made to all the people who came before and keep those prices tge same, at least to befin with. Give people advance notice.
It's unfortunate to think that's how meaningless Elon's word has become. The recent backtracking about the lacking viability of HW2.5 in adequately powering FSD suggests they'll make us cough up another ~$50k to get full autonomy.
NinjaVece
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All this Sturm und Drang about pricing is a tempest in a teapot. Watch a Tony Seba video and see the future of transportation. Tesla is riding the front of the wave so every decision has no precedence. There will be two steps forward with every one step back but they are out front - which means they will get most of the accolades and business.
If you own Tesla stock, its for the long run. You don't like volatility at the moment, get out. But in the long run, Tesla will win because BEVs will win and they are just so far ahead of everyone else.
And you folks miss the real importance of Tesla - to get the REST of the auto industry into electric vehicles. Anyone who argues they all would have done so at this time anyway is smoking something. Tesla is the reason SPECIFICALLY because it has been successful doing so. Thus, I see great success for Tesla into the future, regardless of these little price variations.
If you own Tesla stock, its for the long run. You don't like volatility at the moment, get out. But in the long run, Tesla will win because BEVs will win and they are just so far ahead of everyone else.
And you folks miss the real importance of Tesla - to get the REST of the auto industry into electric vehicles. Anyone who argues they all would have done so at this time anyway is smoking something. Tesla is the reason SPECIFICALLY because it has been successful doing so. Thus, I see great success for Tesla into the future, regardless of these little price variations.
NinjaVece
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HW3 is being provided for free for those that paid for FSD. What are you talking about?
Interesting how Tesla's blunders are considered consumer entitlement by some. Yes it's all the customer's fault for being upset about schizophrenic pricing policies and secret blog sales. After all, we are just plebeians and Elon, well he wants to fart on Mars someday.
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Nissan would've had LEAF volumes were the disasters that wrecked their battery factory in Japan not occurred. As is the LEAF is quite impressive among all EVs.
But hey, maybe you shouldn't denigrate smoking something.
I heard an awesome parable the other day and I believe its relevant here.
"One day his horse runs away. And his neighbor comes over and says, to commiserate, “I’m so sorry about your horse.” And the farmer says “Who Knows What’s Good or Bad?” The neighbor is confused because this is clearly terrible. The horse is the most valuable thing he owns.
But the horse comes back the next day and he brings with him 12 feral horses. The neighbor comes back over to celebrate, “Congratulations on your great fortune!” And the farmer replies again: “Who Knows What’s Good or Bad?”
And the next day the farmer’s son is taming one of the wild horses and he’s thrown and breaks his leg. The neighbor comes back over, “I’m so sorry about your son.” The farmer repeats: “Who Knows What’s Good or Bad?”
Sure enough, the next day the army comes through their village and is conscripting able-bodied young men to go and fight in war, but the son is spared because of his broken leg.
And this story can go on and on like that. Good. Bad. Who knows?
We dont know the full story of things and some times we are so immersed in our own story that we forget that its even there.
What his neighbor never grasped was the farmer was never at the mercy of uncontrolled events, his life was ever at the mercy of his own chose perspectives.
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" You are going to find that the many truths you cling to depends greatly on our own points in view."
-Obi-Wan Kenobi
-Obi-Wan Kenobi
NinjaVece
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Woulda, Shoulda, Coulda. And comparing a Nissan Leaf to a Tesla is quite the joke. Tesla has combined so many disruptive technologies in a single platform that nothing really touches it. Add to the fact that they now have a $35K version AND a P3D which kills Porsches - lets see Leaf do that...
Even Musk will tell you he doesn't smoke. His mind is too active to go that route...
There was a sale, and some kind of follow up controversy? I must have missed all of it, been too busy riding around enjoying my Model 3 to focus on this very important development. Maybe I'll have to read through all 17 pages
Nah....
RT
Didn’t bother me a bit. Other dealers have sales periodically; Labor Day, Veterans Day, Fourth of July etc etc. We’ve come to expect too much from Tesla. They give so many extra thing that we feel entitled rather than greatful. None of those people getting the “fire sale” got a 7500 tax credit.
NinjaVece
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As I said, if you watch him take that one puff, you obviously know he doesn't smoke.
Let's see that actually happen before declaring that as fact that it actually has happened.
I used to believe that to be the case. But with recent events, my skeptical radar is running full tilt now with Tesla.
I’m still hopeful, but I agree, until someone actually gets an upgrade it’s still just tweets
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