I am not sure you could "turn off" PGE.Question for this fine group: should the proposal pass and PG&E gets to charge electrical users $100 a month for the privilege of interconnecting, would it be more economical to simply turn off PG&E, add a third PW and a natural gas generator for those winter days?
I'm not aware of any current regulation requiring you to have PG&E service. Where I live there a lot of people that are off-grid because they don't want to pay to have the lines run.I am not sure you could "turn off" PGE.
Probably true, but for someone who has service now, just do not see how money wise would ever make sense to disconnect.I'm not aware of any current regulation requiring you to have PG&E service. Where I live there a lot of people that are off-grid because they don't want to pay to have the lines run.
I paid $20K to have 3 poles put in when I built my house.
Are you allowed to go off grid? I can’t with SCE.Personally, with the rapid decrease in solar and battery costs, yes I think it would be more economical to do what you propose than paying monster fees to PG&E.
This is counter to common sense where a centralized power grid should be more cost effective than a completely de-centralized energy ecosystem where every home is not interconnected with one another. Only in California could the fees and poorly run utilities (the ones who demand a fair profit in spite of their inefficiency) exist to the extent it's even remotely more economical to be permanently off-grid than on-grid.
I think the worst impact of all these changes will be felt by homes that don't have the ability to add enough solar. Some homes simply don't have a good roof/pane for all this, so those homeowners will need to continue paying out-of-control prices with no option to break completely away. I wish I could add another 4 kWp of solar... but alas
My city and location requires us to be connected to our local electrical (SCE), gas (SoCalGas), and trash/water/sewer (the city). If we fail to sign up with any of these within a given time of obtaining residency we would be fined. Failure to sign and pay the fine would result in a lien for an owner or eviction for a tenant.Interesting....So they can raise the price as high as the government will allow and the government will require you to pay it even if you don't want it or use it.
My city and location requires us to be connected to our local electrical (SCE), gas (SoCalGas), and trash/water/sewer (the city). If we fail to sign up with any of these within a given time of obtaining residency we would be fined. Failure to sign and pay the fine would result in a lien for an owner or eviction for a tenant.
We can’t install our own well; we have to use the city water supply. We have to pay for water service even if we don’t use water. We have to pay for trash service even if we never put out trash to be picked up. We have to pay electrical connection even if we never use electricity. We have to pay gas service even if we replaced all appliances with electrical ones and don’t use gas at all. We pay for the service fees for these things as part of the general taxes for the whole community.
The only areas in the city that don’t have to are the more rural areas that don’t have to be connected. But they pay 5 figure permit fees just to do their own things as a way to discourage them from doing so.
Huh so it is illegal in California for a normal residential dwelling to be completely off grid... it’s something called Title 24. It’s Section 110.10 of the Code.
No matter what the codes are, there are very few folks I expect that are 100%!!!!!! off grid who are connected to, or can be connected to, utilities for basically free. The costs I have read are just nuts, unless your only choice was to pay for a bunch of power poles and transformers to reach a persons house.Title 24 is all of the building codes in California. You need to specify the Part (which Code) before specifying the section. The article references Part 6 (Energy Code) Section 110.10, which you can read here:
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Section 110.10 is "Mandatory Requirements for Solar Ready Buildings" I don't buy the analysis in the document you referenced. I read 110.10(c) as requiring a reserved pathway to a point of interconnection with an electrical service, rather than requiring the electrical service itself.
I sure do not understand how he gets by during the winter. He may have lots of batteries, but am surprised the solar is so small. What am I missing?It is required by some town and city ordinances to have electrical service to live in a dwelling. I know of 1 case where a home in the bay area went off grid right from the start.
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The homeowner had to do some serious oversizing (232 kWh!) to prove that the home would never use a generator as the primary power source, which I believe is also a requirement in Woodside.