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New classified version of Starlink will be pulling in Trillions of dollars from the US government on top of all the existing contracts. Like more money than everything SpaceX has ever done.

It's called Starshield


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Starlink's inter-satellite laser communications terminal, which is the only communications laser operating at scale in orbit today, can be integrated onto partner satellites to enable incorporation into the Starshield network.
 
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“Trillions”? Let’s not get carried away. The annual US military budget is well under $1 trillion.
I originally wrote Billions but changed it after reading this sentence in another thread

"US department of defense is is going to give them trillions in the next decades."

Time frame matters but it's a ton of money.

 
New classified version of Starlink will be pulling in Trillions of dollars from the US government on top of all the existing contracts. Like more money than everything SpaceX has ever done.

It's called Starshield


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Interoperability​


Starlink's inter-satellite laser communications terminal, which is the only communications laser operating at scale in orbit today, can be integrated onto partner satellites to enable incorporation into the Starshield network.
Uh, this is a marketing pitch to the military. They still need to win contracts. Will be interesting to see if they do without buying expensive sales conferences in the Caribbean and doling out 7 figure retirement jobs in SpaceX as “procurement specialists”. And I am not at all kidding.
 
I originally wrote Billions but changed it after reading this sentence in another thread

"US department of defense is is going to give them trillions in the next decades."

Time frame matters but it's a ton of money.
It’s still a gross exaggeration based on…nothing. As @Cosmacelf pointed out, Starlink would need to be awarded contracts to get any money. I am not aware of any information to indicate that has happened. And no one can be confident of what is going to happen for decades into the future.

Simple speculation needs to be identified as such. A reddit user called “OptimisticViolence” is not a reliable source.
 
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Wouldn't be surprised if this is a pre-empt type announcement leading a next gub'ment procurement cycle. SX already has a few Tranch 0 satellites on contract (I think launching early next year?) and has no doubt found the pace and inefficiencies in a typical government procurement pretty infuriating...even one that leans into contemporary commercial concepts (or at least tries to), as is SDA's philosophy with the tracking and transport layers. So...the preemptive announcement is most likely just PR aimed toward The Deciders. I won't use the V word, but this really boils down to "advertise a product you don't have to drum up interest".

Anyway, unfortunately I think there will be all but perpetual misalignment with SX's ambition here and the DOD's appetite. For better or worse a DOD procurement is going to a) purposely spread money around, both across companies and across physical regions, and b) the DOD is going to want to be the operator for any infrastructure solution. Those two concepts are aligned because the operator can take on the burden of racking up dissimilar capex (for example, satellites from--as is the case with Tranche 0 and 1--SX, York, L3, LM, NGST, Maxar, etc...).

On the flip side SX's ideal scenario is that they build a full end to end solution sell an opex product to The Man, and that's simply never going to happen--even with a build-it-and-they-will-come approach. So practically speaking, SX is going to be ceiling'ed at providing capex/equipment. That's not a terrible thing since we all know SX can make equivalent performing solutions at a lower cost than anyone else, but as is the case in most industries and especially the space industry, you make way more money selling recurring service than selling one-time things.

There may be a play in building hyper secure infrastructure for third world type entities, but it's hard to imagine there's a compelling financial upside in doing so, and obviously foreign traffic makes it a non-starter for any useful DOD traffic. Maybe good for getting US native content overseas (Netflix, etc.) and a solid broadcast of the AFN, but I'd imagine Starlink could probably do that too...

So Trillions? No, not ever. Tens of Billions? Sure...over many many years, and largely on the launch side.
 
Typically anti-Elon article disguised as a news article. I’ll have to look for another news source since I have zero faith of any facts in that article.
Most of the Fraud media articles are behind paywall. Doesn't bother me one bit.

I have no doubt in your assessment though, but just curious if you could put a few bullets on why you thought it had anti-Elon sentiment.
 
Most of the Fraud media articles are behind paywall. Doesn't bother me one bit.

I have no doubt in your assessment though, but just curious if you could put a few bullets on why you thought it had anti-Elon sentiment.
“Elon Musk’s SpaceX has received its first contract from the US Space Force to provide customized satellite communications for the military under the company’s new Starshield program, extending the provocative billionaire’s role as a defense contractor.”

So they immediately personalized it to Elon even though SpaceX actually has a lot of shareholders. He might not even own 50% of the company at this point. So it isn’t “his” company. Normally, you’d just talk about SpaceX getting a contract, not Elon getting it, and also normally you wouldn’t label the CEO as provocative.

“Musk’s role in Ukraine received criticism after a new biography disclosed that he refused a request from Ukraine’s government to extend Starlink coverage to Russian-held Crimea to assist in a naval drone attack on Russian targets last year. That was before SpaceX was put on contract by the Pentagon to provide Starlink service to Ukraine. But Musk’s decision — and moves including his conversations with Russian President Vladimir Putin — sparked questions from some lawmakers about his reliability as a Pentagon supplier, including an inquiry being opened by the Senate Armed Services Committee.”

First sentence doesn’t provide complete context and makes it sound worse than it was, and the second paragraph sounds like he is a national security risk.

“SpaceX is a prime contractor and a critical industry partner for the DoD and the recipient of billions of dollars in taxpayer funding,” a group of Democratic senators said in a letter to Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin. “We are deeply concerned with the ability and willingness of SpaceX to interrupt their service at Mr. Musk’s whim and for the purpose of handcuffing a sovereign country’s self-defense, effectively defending Russian interests.”

Again, no push back on this egregiously incorrect political statement made by a bunch of idiots (even if they are Senators, but I repeat myself). Then there was a drive by insinuation of improper hiring practices by SpaceX. Finally this gem:

”— With assistance by Dana Hull”. Funny how she (he?) just pops up whenever there’s a negative spin against Elon, eh?
 
House China committee demands Elon Musk open SpaceX Starshield internet to U.S. troops in Taiwan
... by not making Starshield available to U.S. military forces in Taiwan, SpaceX could violate its Pentagon contract, which requires “global access” to Starshield technology.
“I understand, however, that SpaceX is possibly withholding broadband internet services in and around Taiwan — possibly in breach of SpaceX’s contractual obligations with the U.S. government,” read the letter, which was signed by Rep. Mike Gallagher, R-Wi., who chairs the House CCP committee

The letter requests that Musk provide the House committee with a briefing on its Taiwan operations by March 8.

Similar article: US lawmakers demand Musk open SpaceX Starshield internet to US soldiers in Taiwan | Taiwan News | 2024-02-26 12:19:00
 
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Surely that’s completely up the US govt isn’t it? This sounds like a political witch hunt against Elon. The letter doesn’t even know:

“I understand, however, that SpaceX is possibly withholding broadband internet services in and around Taiwan”

What kind of bullshit is that?
 
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Surely that’s completely up the US govt isn’t it? This sounds like a political witch hunt against Elon. The letter doesn’t even know:

“I understand, however, that SpaceX is possibly withholding broadband internet services in and around Taiwan”

What kind of bullshit is that?
And for those who think that it's the "Biden Administration" going after Elon, the quote/letter is from a Republican.

That said, this seems to be Congress (and the media reporting this) not understanding Starlink. There is a big difference between Starlink and Starshield. Starlink has to follow the dictates of the government and is not a free-wheeling entity that can make decisions about military and governmental positions for use. Starlink is for commercial purposes. Starshield will be satellites owned and run by the military. The military can allow access to whoever they want because that is the governments choice to do. The same mistake was made about Ukraine. The Ukraine military using Starlink for military purposes would need to be sanctioned by the US government. If the US government sanctions use of Starlink for Taiwan then that is a governmental military decision. They can make it but SpaceX cannot. Technically, SpaceX can refuse the government using their commercial system for foreign military use but I would not expect that to happen. SpaceX would not be allowed to prevent the use of Starshield if the government owns that satellite network.

This is just my WAG on the subject but it is what makes sense to me.
 
Surely that’s completely up the US govt isn’t it? This sounds like a political witch hunt against Elon. The letter doesn’t even know:

“I understand, however, that SpaceX is possibly withholding broadband internet services in and around Taiwan”

What kind of bullshit is that?
Very stinky:
SpaceX is in full compliance with all of its U.S. government contracts. SpaceX notified the Select Committee last week that it is misinformed, but the Committee chose to contact media before seeking additional information.