powertoold
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It's more effort to monitor Tesla's FSD + drive the car than to just drive the car as usual.
On the other hand, I'm sure Tesla will get at least 2000 drivers who'd willingly train the NN for free
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It's more effort to monitor Tesla's FSD + drive the car than to just drive the car as usual.
Rewatching the video a couple of times, it actually requires user input (accelerator pedal or gear stalk) to travel through green lights without stopping. So if, in any situation, the neural network accidentally classifies a red light as a green light, it will still come to a stop if the user does not acknowledge it.
I think this is a smart way to start this feature safely, and will be really good training data for the neural network. Users will give input as far away as they can, and they can start to use that input to firm up the confidence.
Agreed but a "cheap" way for Tesla to train their NN. I assume the traffic light feature will be optional and this will let everyone who uses it help them train the system.
Yep, I'm glad they haven't gone completely crazy. That's pretty clever, I'm not sure if any of us thought of that as a solution (EDIT: @mongo though of it). It seems like seeing the existence of a traffic control device would be almost as difficult as its state though so they must be relying on maps to know where all the intersections are.Rewatching the video a couple of times, it actually requires user input (accelerator pedal or gear stalk) to travel through green lights without stopping. So if, in any situation, the neural network accidentally classifies a red light as a green light, it will still come to a stop if the user does not acknowledge it.
I think this is a smart way to start this feature safely, and will be really good training data for the neural network. Users will give input as far away as they can, and they can start to use that input to firm up the confidence.
That is what it seems like, but that also makes this "FSD" feature completely useless.
It's more effort to monitor Tesla's FSD + drive the car than to just drive the car as usual.
Agreed but a "cheap" way for Tesla to train their NN. I assume the traffic light feature will be optional and this will let everyone who uses it help them train the system.
No one? Oh come on, remember you and me, March 19th in the FSD revenue thread?Yep, I'm glad they haven't gone completely crazy. That's pretty clever, I'm not sure if any of us thought of that as a solution. It seems like seeing the existence of a traffic control device would be almost as difficult as its state though so they must be relying on maps to know where all the intersections are.
Ha, but [t]hey do use maps, every intersection should have a traffic control device..Paranoid mode would be stop for all intersections unless green is highly 99% detected, or driver presses accelerator (in which case override if stop/red is highly detected).
Dang sorry. I thought someone had thought of it so I went and checked and I missed that! Memory is going.No one? Oh come on, remember you and me, March 19th in the FSD revenue thread?
I'd probably be more concerned if someone did remember what i said a week ago on a different thread.Dang sorry. I thought someone had thought of it so I went and checked and I missed that! Memory is going.
I wouldn't discount the usefulness of this feature. It requires user input to proceed through an intersection on a green light. It does not require user input to stop on a red light, and will do so automatically.
This feature, even in its current form, will save lives.
I am curious though. What if the driver does not do anything on a green light, will AP also stop? Because stopping at a green light is a bad idea.
Not entirely clear on how this offers any "training" they couldn't have gotten by just recording if the driver does what the car thinks it should or not for each light without the system actively being on and requiring special added input checks?
The vehicle coming to a stop is currently the consequence for "failing" the wheel torque check, and I haven't heard of many people actually incurring that penalty (or the people that have are too embarrassed to admit it).
I don't think there's audio in the clip of auto-stopping on twitter, but maybe if you're approaching a green light and haven't given input by 100 feet or so, it will give an audio alert as well before finally stopping?
I get that but the car should not stop at all if the light is green. It will cause you to get rear ended.
Anyone who feels that way - ofcourse, won't use it. Fair enough.That is what it seems like, but that also makes this "FSD" feature completely useless.
It's more effort to monitor Tesla's FSD + drive the car than to just drive the car as usual.
BTW, does anyone with HW3 see the stop light visualizations ? I don't in my car ...
I hope that once Tesla gets enough validation that the feature is reliable, we will get a "no confirmation" version.
I wouldn't discount the usefulness of this feature. It requires user input to proceed through an intersection on a green light. It does not require user input to stop on a red light, and will do so automatically.
This feature, even in its current form, will save lives.