Shorts are losing their minds. LOL. This is like a spy vs spy cartoon at this point.
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Elon Musk Unmasked as Top Donor to House Republican PAC
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guess it doesn't matter he equally donated to democrats. Have fun driving an ICE and contributing to global warming. More supercharger space for the rest of us.
Let me ask you a series of questions:
1) Do you believe giving money to a politician buys at a minimum, access, and quite possibly influence?
2) Tesla is currently dealing with all sorts of regulatory and legal issues in a variety of states.
3) The republicans are in control of much of our government right now.
4) Who do you think, buying access to or even influence, would do the most good? Republicans or Democrats?
If you ask me, purely from a business standpoint, I see little reason to try to gain access to, or influence someone I already agree with.
Here is an interesting tweet from Nate Silver on this topic Nate Silver on Twitter
I haven't had a chance to dig deep, but looks like he donated a ton to the Republican National Committee off late
I haven't had a chance to dig deep, but looks like he donated a ton to the Republican National Committee off late
Wooloomooloo
Member
1) Yes in this corrupt country
2) This would make logical sense if he was donating to politicians specifically, but he donated to a PAC whose sole purpose is to keep GOP candidates in and Democrats out
3) Tell me about it
4) Democrats. Get the GOP out in Nov
I’ve changed my original post BTW. I’m going to wait and see... but if I go home with a $70k Tesla and my wife thinks it’s gone to the xenophobic women-hating party (which she will) I’m going to be in a lot of trouble...
P90D
Member
Woolloomooloo and Brooklyn ... two very similar industrial cities of people with a culture of practical lives not burdened by the privilege of having much of a choice about the hand they've been dealt.
If SpaceX and @elonmusk are spending $30K on an each-way bet in the casino of US politics, I rate that as a gnat's fart in a global warming hurricane of bigger picture priorities and objectives.
I see no logic in burning down the planet because of a moral high ground in $$$$ing US oligarchy politicking.
p.s. you missed the double L, maybe it was user name already taken. : )
Super_Popular
Well-Known Member
I could careless what Elon does, I love my Tesla.
Wooloomooloo
Member
The number of times I’ve lectured people about not falling for clickbait crap, and here I did myself. This just unwinds with the smallest amount of prodding.
Daily Beast said “Elon Musk Unmasked as top donor”. Links to Mediaite which says he donated $30k (no where near the top) and adds context of his other donations. Propublica’s list shows Musk’s donation in the lower percentile.
The funniest company I saw on the list was NBC Universal... so much for their aspparent “liberal bias”...
Daily Beast said “Elon Musk Unmasked as top donor”. Links to Mediaite which says he donated $30k (no where near the top) and adds context of his other donations. Propublica’s list shows Musk’s donation in the lower percentile.
The funniest company I saw on the list was NBC Universal... so much for their aspparent “liberal bias”...
The irony is hilarious.
"I'm a liberal but if Elon musk donates to a republican PAC, I will buy a fossil fuel car from a car company whos CEO also probably donated to a republican! Screw the earth!"
GM the company didn't make a campaign contribution -- companies can't. GM's execs made the contributions -- either directly or through a PAC that only individuals can fund -- not companies.
Who can and can’t contribute - FEC.gov
mtndrew1
Active Member
Identity politics is a disease. The purity test some people use to "out" or shame people is a disease.
I can't stand the current POTUS or many of the people in congress.
However I'm a grownup and try to act like one.
I WILL not cut my nose off to spite my face
I can't stand the current POTUS or many of the people in congress.
However I'm a grownup and try to act like one.
I WILL not cut my nose off to spite my face
Dr. J
Active Member
T34ME
Active Member
The way to fix that is public funding the electoral campaigns of all political parties. In addition, get foreign powers, particularly the Russian oligarchs, out of hacking our electoral system.
Reciprocity
Active Member
Exactly how do you all think stuff gets done in Washington. You gotta Grease the wheels. Don't hate the player, hate the game. Elon is investing in anyone who can help him get things done. They won't take his call if he is not a donor.
T34ME
Active Member
This has been an interesting thread for me. There have been several good points brought up on both sides of the argument that merit serious consideration. I know that I was very upset when Elon accepted a position on Hair Trump's Council of Economic Advisers Window Dressing, but others on TMC got me to calm down with some persuasive counterarguments.
My DW and I had a discussion about the issues in this thread this evening over our traditional Saturday evening happy two hours. My wife had read the Daily Beast lead story earlier in the day. She is much more clear thinking and analytical than I am. She made these points:
She was able to help me understand the dynamics of the issue much better. We will not be distracted by aggravating but incidental details. We will be maintaining our well planned course with confidence. GO TESLA, the FUTURE here we come!
My DW and I had a discussion about the issues in this thread this evening over our traditional Saturday evening happy two hours. My wife had read the Daily Beast lead story earlier in the day. She is much more clear thinking and analytical than I am. She made these points:
- She identified herself as a passionate and proud Progressive Liberal.
- She is not invested in or interested in Elon's personal political views. his family life, his personality, or how much money he has. She couldn't care less.
- She no longer trusts what she reads on the Internet, even her trusted sites. She believes that Russia has shown how easy it is to manage and manipulate public opinion by hacking accounts, cherry picking information, not telling the whole story, and paying onsite trolls to post both pro and con to foment dissent (*some of the posts on this thread, pro and con, are in fact suspicious) She said the Russians have been successful in her case, since she no longer blindly trusts anonymous posters who may have a hidden agenda. In her case this is good because she now better understands the power of the Internet and in the future will be more skeptical of what she reads, both pro and con on an argument.
- She believes that the Oil Industry may have taken a page out of the Russian game plan and planted the article about Elon's political contribution. Yes, the article is factual but it doesn't give the whole picture. She believes that posters on this forum and other fora could be Oil Industry paid hacks or well meaning people but gullible and naive (she looked at me with a raised eyebrow) who buy into the passion and argue endlessly to foment Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. This strategy accomplishes Oil Industry goals with almost no capital outlay!
- She believes that climate change caused by greenhouse gasses is real, immediate, and a threat to her personally and world security.
- Her personal goals are to leave this world a better place than she inherited, particularly with regards to the environment. She wants to accomplish her personal goals first before she tries to accomplish them for a wider audience. She reminded me that we have downsized in housing, have PV (Solar City) on the roof, drought tolerant but award winning landscaping, use 1/3 the amount of domestic water as the average local household, compost and/or recycle trash and refuse, limited our offspring to just two for Zero Population Growth, and transitioning to BEV for personal transportation. She is satisfied with our progress but will continue look for other ways to leave a personal smaller footprint on this planet.
- She believes in Tesla's goals and achievements for sustainable transportation with less impact on the climate that coincide with her personal goals as long as they continue on their current path (regardless of what Elon's personal political leanings may be),
- She is adamant about our commitment to Tesla vehicles as a way to further accomplish her personal goals. We WILL NOT be cancelling or selling any Tesla vehicles or any BEV from any maker.
- She ended the conversation by saying, "Screw (well, she really used another form of the word with fewer letters
) the Russians and the Oil Industry. I will not be manipulated or coerced into making a bad decision!"
She was able to help me understand the dynamics of the issue much better. We will not be distracted by aggravating but incidental details. We will be maintaining our well planned course with confidence. GO TESLA, the FUTURE here we come!
Xminus6
Member
Hardly surprising that a man who has massive operations in every state of the country would be donating to both political parties. It's even less surprising when he's on the receiving end of a ton of resistance from, generally, one side of the aisle that he would try to curry favor with them. I haven't done the research on it, but isn't it likely that the States that prohibit direct car sales are more likely Red states than Blue?
He is relying on a lot of local politics to get things done for all his companies. Municipalities approving TBC projects. SpaceX and their massive complexes and launch facilities in Texas and Florida. I'd be more surprised if he weren't donating to both parties frankly.
He is relying on a lot of local politics to get things done for all his companies. Municipalities approving TBC projects. SpaceX and their massive complexes and launch facilities in Texas and Florida. I'd be more surprised if he weren't donating to both parties frankly.
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