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Elon Tweeting about Thailand and Reputation
- Thread starter $Billyall
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Yes it will be. I would generally think this type of thing would just be settled out of court. For some reason I think Musk really believes he’s right and will not want to settle. Perhaps the board and his attorneys will advise him to anyways.
Sues for only $75k. If he was really a money grubbing dirt bag, he would be suing for a lot more. Sounds like he mainly just wants Elon to stop spreading lies over and over.
FirebirdAlpha
Banned
Clearly have never been involved in a lawsuit...
What's the damage? $75k is a ton for libel as a non-celebrity.
Unless Vern has something like "Elon made it so I couldn't get X job" or "Elon made it so that XYZ people were mean to me," he's not going to get a lot out of this.
Lastly, he's requested punitive damages for an unspecified amount. He could get much more than this.
FirebirdAlpha
Banned
First, that's just not correct. Libel laws do not require that Elon know it was false. They also cover reckless statements.
If you go on television and call Michael Jordan a pedophile with no evidence, he will win a libel case against you. You can't use "well, I didn't know it was false" as a defense.
Second, there's a higher standard when accusing someone of committing a crime. This is why reporters always use "alleged' or "accused" or "convicted" when reporting on people.
Third, Elon did know it was false when he sent Buzzfeed the email in mid-August. Vern's lawyer sent a letter that was received by Tesla on August 6th, demanding that Elon stop making false claims. At that point, Elon knows it's false because Vern's lawyer told him it was false.
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
FirebirdAlpha
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Yes, that's why the August 6 letter was so important. It's the equivalent to a cease-and-desist, which Elon ignored.
He forfeit the ability to use "well, I didn't know whether or not Vern was a pedophile" as a defense.
When he made the comments in mid-August, he'd had a direct denial from Vern and stated the accusation as fact regardless. That easily meets the standard of reckless.
Also, very smart to sue in both the US and the UK. Gives him a chance to double dip on punititve damages.
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
You're an idiot, in case you missed my previous sarcasm.
seeks "at least 75k"
that is to classify it into a category, the lawsuit is for 76m
actual lawsuit, for those who choose to read it
Dropbox - Unsworth v. Musk 18-08048.pdf
FirebirdAlpha
Banned
You're an idiot, in case you think Vern will lose this defamation case.
Seriously, if Vern loses this case, defamation laws might as well not exist. This is a slam dunk. Elon has ruthlessly and brutally attacked this man with no evidence, and he should be punished for it.
FirebirdAlpha
Banned
Both? If he had evidence, why has he waited over 2 months to publicize it?
He has no evidence, and he's just been doubling down on an impulsive (and now deleted) tweet.
Interesting. It sounds like the Buzzfeed emails are the only potential problems(in CA). And, of course, those are only alleged to have been written by him at all, being sourced from an email that anonymous sources claimed Elon sometimes uses. If that’s not true, or any other people ever use that email, he could potentially claim he didn’t write those.
My current guess is that Unsworth is suing in California to get depositions / testimony which he can use in his lawsuit in England, because I think he can't get depositions in the English suit.
This guy is the one that was spreading FUD when I was planning to buy my S a couple ears ago... he still is employed? Glad we can go back and see how wrong he was, and continues to be... all those “competitors” are 2 years late, and we haven’t heard a notch about how that are failing to meet thier deadlines, that’s 2 years late and really sad technical specks and no infrastructure...looks like people who do shop these cars will be tiring to Tesla for better electric cars... feel for the traditional auto makers a bit, they really are in a bind. Can’t catch up, loosing market share, no infrastructure, and no experience.... plus gotta deal with dealerships.... guess the products will speak for themselves.....thinks people will slowly start to realize what Tesla has done.... I mean these are the “powerful automakers” and they still can’t catch up, or inovate..... I guess if you want seat massagers as your getting passed by the Tesla, and looking for a charge point, or waiting for a level two charger to fill you up, is ok for some...
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