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Side note: I feel a tinge of sympathy for the moderators here. Because Elon has been on a protracted free speech kick, it seems that topics and posts that normally would have be sidetracked to the netherworld politics thread have lingered in this and other threads. If I wanted Twitter, I'd go there.
We are trying to keep this pointless talk in this thread for now, until it's locked (I'm guessing shortly).

If readers disagree, I'd love to hear how successful you've been at changing the ideology of another anonymous person on the Internet - specifically, on a car forum.

My non-official-moderator opinion? Posters need to get over their need to share their ideological tribe when they're at the Tesla Motors Club. Talk about Tesla or Tesla-adjacent things. We all get off on a tangent sometimes (and I'm just as guilty of this as the rest of the members), but doing our best to focus on our commonality here - Teslas - is probably the best way to make this a productive community.
 
We are trying to keep this pointless garbage talk in this thread for now, until it's locked (I'm guessing shortly).

If readers disagree, I'd love to hear how successful you've been at changing the ideology of another anonymous person on the Internet - specifically, on a car forum.

My non-official-moderator opinion? Posters need to get over their need to share their ideological tribe when they're at the Tesla Motors Club. Talk about Tesla or Tesla-adjacent things. We all get off on a tangent sometimes, but doing our best to focus on our commonality here - Teslas - is probably the best way to make this a productive community.
This is exactly right... there is no changing of ideology like this on the internet, and even if there were a faint chance of it ... not in a car forum.
A very real problem is, though, that IS one that belongs on this forum to a degree, is the effects of Elon being perceived to take a strong side in this tribal stupidity .... the effects on the ownership of a Tesla vehicle, how the cars are perceived etc.
I don’t think he is quite there yet, but embracing Rogan is a red flag to many. And we all know the big question about his plans regarding one specific former Twitter user.
That will have a serious, serious effect on how driving a Tesla is perceived.

Meanwhile, thanks for trying to keep the focus on Tesla.
 
This is exactly right... there is no changing of ideology like this on the internet, and even if there were a faint chance of it ... not in a car forum.
A very real problem is, though, that IS one that belongs on this forum to a degree, is the effects of Elon being perceived to take a strong side in this tribal stupidity .... the effects on the ownership of a Tesla vehicle, how the cars are perceived etc.
I don’t think he is quite there yet, but embracing Rogan is a red flag to many. And we all know the big question about his plans regarding one specific former Twitter user.
That will have a serious, serious effect on how driving a Tesla is perceived.

Meanwhile, thanks for trying to keep the focus on Tesla.
Embracing Rogan is not to me a 'red flag' at all. And I think there is a ton of disinformation on Rogan. What is a red flag is Elon being partisan and thinking that the Left has moved more left and extreme than the right has. He lost me there.
 
Embracing Rogan is not to me a 'red flag' at all. And I think there is a ton of disinformation on Rogan. What is a red flag is Elon being partisan and thinking that the Left has moved more left and extreme than the right has. He lost me there.
Fair eough but... it may not be a red flag for you, or me. It absolutely IS a red flag, though, for some people is the point ...whether they are right or wrong ....and one that lost Tesla some customers.
You're pointing out things he tweeted that are even more explicit on his part... and to me SEEMS to be part of an escalation on his part to take sides. There are all these signs of him moving in one direction, none of him taking some sort of mythical center ground.
and again.... ANY involvement by him in these sorts of tribal arguments that are making people pick one side or the other hurts his fight against climate change and makes people start to question how serious he is about it.
Twitter on net is not a good thing for mankind. It's more time-wasting distraction, as if we had a shortage of places or opportunities, or places for people to "argue" politics.
 
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I love to see the left losing their ever living minds because he bought Twitter. It is hilarious. Also funny, and actually hypocritical, that most of the left are so upset that he might not be in the middle but moving right as a company. Perfectly ok for Nike, Starbucks and all these other companies that absolutely picked their political side (THE LEFT) over the last few years but OMG Elon and Tesla might pick the right or sku right and everyone is losing their mind.

This is becoming some great entertainment.
 
We are trying to keep this pointless talk in this thread for now, until it's locked (I'm guessing shortly).

If readers disagree, I'd love to hear how successful you've been at changing the ideology of another anonymous person on the Internet - specifically, on a car forum.

My non-official-moderator opinion? Posters need to get over their need to share their ideological tribe when they're at the Tesla Motors Club. Talk about Tesla or Tesla-adjacent things. We all get off on a tangent sometimes (and I'm just as guilty of this as the rest of the members), but doing our best to focus on our commonality here - Teslas - is probably the best way to make this a productive community.
My 2c.


As a long term TMC member, I value the opinions I get on this forum than any other outlet out there. And specifically I pay special attention to a few members (perhaps a dozen) that I have a lot of respect in how they analyze issues deeply and articulate very well. If they are that rational and mature in analyzing Tesla, then hopefully they are good in others aspects too.

So although I have strong opinions and views on the world around me, the people whom I respect immensely have an effect to get me thinking differently in a small way if their views are much different than mine. Over a period of time that helps to mellow down my current views or even change it completely 180.

Ask me how a registered democrat like me who voted and campaigned for Obama twice, is now on the camp of 'never again Democrats, never again socialists'. So views can change. Opinions can change. It just takes a long time, drip by drip.
 
I didnt say it's a red flag for you, or me. It absolutely IS a red flag for some people is the point and one that lost Tesla some customers.
You're pointing out things he tweeted that are even more explicit on his part... and to me SEEMS to be part of an escalation on his part to take sides. There are all these signs of him moving in one direction, none of him taking some sort of mythical center ground.
and again.... ANY involvement by him in these sorts of tribal arguments that are making people pick one side or the other hurts his fight against climate change and makes people start to question how serious he is about it.
Twitter on net is not a good thing for mankind. It's more time-wasting distraction, as if we had a shortage of places or opportunities, or places for people to "argue" politics.
I love to see the left losing their ever living minds because he bought Twitter. It is hilarious. Also funny, and actually hypocritical, that most of the left are so upset that he might not be in the middle but moving right as a company. Perfectly ok for Nike, Starbucks and all these other companies that absolutely picked their political side (THE LEFT) over the last few years but OMG Elon and Tesla might pick the right or sku right and everyone is losing their mind.

This is becoming some great entertainment.
So watching your nation come apart is entertaining?
 
My 2c.


As a long term TMC member, I value the opinions I get on this forum than any other outlet out there. And specifically I pay special attention to a few members (perhaps a dozen) that I have a lot of respect in how they analyze issues deeply and articulate very well. If they are that rational and mature in analyzing Tesla, then hopefully they are good in others aspects too.

So although I have strong opinions and views on the world around me, the people whom I respect immensely have an effect to get me thinking differently in a small way if their views are much different than mine. Over a period of time that helps to mellow down my current views or even change it completely 180.

Ask me how a registered democrat like me who voted and campaigned for Obama twice, is now on the camp of 'never again Democrats, never again socialists'. So views can change. Opinions can change. It just takes a long time, drip by drip.
You’re still talking about politics. Politics isn’t the point of the discussion. The EFFECTS of politics on Telsa is.
 
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I love to see the left losing their ever living minds because he bought Twitter. It is hilarious. Also funny, and actually hypocritical, that most of the left are so upset that he might not be in the middle but moving right as a company. Perfectly ok for Nike, Starbucks and all these other companies that absolutely picked their political side (THE LEFT) over the last few years but OMG Elon and Tesla might pick the right or sku right and everyone is losing their mind.

This is becoming some great entertainment.
No one here on this TESLA thread said Nike or Starbucks was making a smart corporate move by doing X or Y. Michael Jordan famously said hey, Republicans buy sneakers too, and shrugged, and didn’t take sides in stuff that would have hurt sales. If Nike or Starbucks hurt themselves later by taking positions some see as left, OK, yeah, I buy that. But that’s a different discussion.
This is a TESLA forum. It is a different issue entirely. Nike and Starbucks do not have a stated mission of trying to save humanity. If you don’t ascribe to that mission, that’s fine, too, but it is fact and it makes Elon’s responsibility to keep left wing in the Tesla fold are greater. Whether you personally care about lefties or not has nothing to do with it.
Unless he wants to walk away from that.
And over something as trivial and meaningless as Twitter. If he does, the genius may be smart, but not wise.
 
My 2c.


As a long term TMC member, I value the opinions I get on this forum than any other outlet out there. And specifically I pay special attention to a few members (perhaps a dozen) that I have a lot of respect in how they analyze issues deeply and articulate very well. If they are that rational and mature in analyzing Tesla, then hopefully they are good in others aspects too.

So although I have strong opinions and views on the world around me, the people whom I respect immensely have an effect to get me thinking differently in a small way if their views are much different than mine. Over a period of time that helps to mellow down my current views or even change it completely 180.

Ask me how a registered democrat like me who voted and campaigned for Obama twice, is now on the camp of 'never again Democrats, never again socialists'. So views can change. Opinions can change. It just takes a long time, drip by drip.

Ok I'm asking. What policies that Congress / Biden enacted or tried to enact that changed your mind?
 
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As a long term TMC member, I value the opinions I get on this forum than any other outlet out there. And specifically I pay special attention to a few members (perhaps a dozen) that I have a lot of respect in how they analyze issues deeply and articulate very well. If they are that rational and mature in analyzing Tesla, then hopefully they are good in others aspects too.

So although I have strong opinions and views on the world around me, the people whom I respect immensely have an effect to get me thinking differently in a small way if their views are much different than mine. Over a period of time that helps to mellow down my current views or even change it completely 180.
I understand that - what you're talking about is being part of a community and wanting to discuss more things inside of that community than the original purpose. And I think that's absolutely normal. I also tend to have broad interests, and in fact, the majority of my passionate interests are most certainly outside of Tesla. You've been here since 2012, I've been here since 2014. We've developed some kind of relationship with the membership so I understand your point.

All of that said, there has always been a rule against discussion of politics at TMC. It's in the original Terms of Service, linked at the bottom of every page. It's really, really hard to manage, but it's a valuable rule because discussions of politics are likely but not guaranteed to devolve into ideological separation. That causes rifts within a community and can actually harm the flow of dialogue and get in the way of productive discussion. I've seen it happen many times since I started moderating a few years ago. Sometimes, discussions of politics with regard to EV tax credits or other pertinent topics are allowed to run their course, and they resolve well. Sometimes they don't, and they need moderation. It's a challenge to do it properly and to do it fairly, but I can tell you that the group of volunteer moderators on this forum are extremely thoughtful in the moderator discussion area. Speaking of a community that one respects, the thought that is put into some moderation decisions can be really inspiring. I'm sure it doesn't always look that way on the outside, but I can assure you that for an uncompensated job, there is an awful lot of work going into doing the "right thing."

I don't make the rules, I just enforce them as well as I can and provide feedback to the admins about how things are going. I think if we had a thread where politics were discussed, or just removed the politics rule in general, I'd find this a much less interesting place to visit. Human beings like to use heuristics to determine in-groups and out-groups, and I'm willing to bet that a not-insignificant portion of the membership would start to categorize other members subconsciously based on those political discussions. That's not the kind of community I prefer to engage with.

If you disagree with me, and I'm sure it's entirely reasonable to do so, you may want to contact the admins and make a suggestion about changing the rules. It's quite possible I'm in the minority here.
 
Says you about the world's richest man 🤣🤣🤣
I was unclear that dollars were the recognized international yardstick for wisdom. Pardon my ignorance. By the way, he says Putin has more dollars.
So Soros, Bezos and Gates are pretty wise too, I guess, about Twitter and politics?
Smart in one silo of knowledge, even exceptionally smart, doesn’t mean he is wise, or even smart, in a whole host of human endeavors. Apparently including social media, or social interactions for that matter.

It’s great fun how anytime someone suggests Elon might be wrong about something, the reply always moves away from fact and boils down to:
"He’s the richest man alive so he couldn’t possibly be wrong. And you’re not, so you can’t be right."
 
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