And Yellen shortly after the press conference said no need to explore further.
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Elon & Twitter
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Who here thinks that a GOP POTUS today would do it? Remember even today Bush is a RINO just like Cheney.
ElectricIAC
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If Musk cut Twitter into halves, splitting it in two -- a commercial Twitter and a no holds barred Twitter -- and he called the no holds barred Twitter "Twidder", it might just solve Musk's Twitter problem. 
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Yes, but...are you saying she is wrong on both counts?
ElectricIAC
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There’s a reason you don’t buy retread tires for a performance car.
ElectricIAC
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Or just call it Titter.If Musk cut Twitter into halves, splitting it in two -- a commercial Twitter and a no holds barred Twitter -- and he called the no holds barred Twitter "Twidder, it might just solve Musk's Twitter problem.
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EfficientWatts
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While I've argued in the past that for some things people shouldn't be defined as the sum of things in some aspects (i.e. 2 things right and 1 things wrong, so therefore 1 on the "right" score), responding with "yea but she got this wrong (from your viewpoint)" I do not think is a valid argument and to a degree we should look to the sum of things. Otherwise one can pull out the multitude of statements that Elon made about FSD in the past and the timelines and say "see? therefore Elon is wrong". And I know how much you would hate that. Same with anyone digging through your post history and pulling out something that you may have gotten wrong, and trying to checkmate you with that.
On balance I think one should look at the individual event and the person has a whole. How each should be weighed is of course up for debate but depends on the circumstances and such.
Daniel in SD
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I’m just here for gossip about Twitter. TSLA investor civil war is getting boring.
Looks like “free speech” is back on the menu. Elon really does not like advertisers. This is going to make it much harder to make money in the short term.
Looks like “free speech” is back on the menu. Elon really does not like advertisers. This is going to make it much harder to make money in the short term.
ZenRockGarden
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But based on his own actions and bannings, Elon has no interest in fully free speech...
ElectricIAC
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Nobody puts Elon in a corner. Not even social justice mobsters.
Daniel in SD
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Have you ever heard the phrase “The customer is always right”?
Advertisers are Twitter’s customers. Or at least they were, it will be interesting to see if subscriptions can make up for lost revenue.
This is not about free speech. Anyone who claims that is clearly delusional, or just maliciously ignoring reality.
It is about:
1. way overpay for a turkey of a social media company
2. try to piss off liberals while preening and pretending to be a “centrist”
3. piss of advertisers who might get you out of the yawning debt chasm
4. believe that what you have done in the past at Tesla and SpaceX should work here, because..” hey, I’m the worlds richest man. I know how to make things work, okay?”
5. try desperately to increase traffic by inviting DJT (ton of common sense in that decision) to join twitter
6. lie through his teeth to TSLA shareholders that Twitter won’t take too much of his time (yeah, right!)
7. lie about living in a tiny shack, as if anyone other than Elon-bots would believe that
Elon used to be good. Believing in missions. Making the impossible possible. Now? He is a giant douche.
It is about:
1. way overpay for a turkey of a social media company
2. try to piss off liberals while preening and pretending to be a “centrist”
3. piss of advertisers who might get you out of the yawning debt chasm
4. believe that what you have done in the past at Tesla and SpaceX should work here, because..” hey, I’m the worlds richest man. I know how to make things work, okay?”
5. try desperately to increase traffic by inviting DJT (ton of common sense in that decision) to join twitter
6. lie through his teeth to TSLA shareholders that Twitter won’t take too much of his time (yeah, right!)
7. lie about living in a tiny shack, as if anyone other than Elon-bots would believe that
Elon used to be good. Believing in missions. Making the impossible possible. Now? He is a giant douche.
stopcrazypp
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Did the same groups who supposedly agreed to not pull advertising on this condition directly control the vast majority of Twitter advertising (which presumably is mostly corporate ads for companies that sell products)? It would be interesting to see any emails or conversations on how this "deal" was brokered.
The gist I got was a bulk of lost revenue were companies pausing ads to wait to see how things would shake down at Twitter. I would be fairly surprised if a group of those companies banded together and agreed to continue advertising while the Council was still being set up. It would make more sense to pull advertising until the council was already set up and there is some assurance that there would be some people other than Elon that makes ultimate judgement about content. If Elon actually went through with the promises, it would show he at least would stick to his word, and they would put advertising back.
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If "a large coalition of activist groups" that actually acted as a coalition existed then the US would be a far different place.
Where would one send notice to this coalition? The advertisers are not the "coalition" come on - the advertisers want places to advertise as long as the ads work. So what Musk must mean is some other group who puts pressure on advertisers? I mean, I like what Musk has done, but Twitter seems to be his weak point. That tweet is not possibly accurate, and its not like Musk is some dude living in his parent's bedroom who can just say whatever the F they want.
Musk could easily ride out the actions of "the large coalition" since he exists and "the large coalition" is some Fox news fantasy, but that would require actually thinking before one tweets, and he obviously does not want to do that.
AlanSubie4Life
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This is not what Elon said happened. He didn’t say anything about companies agreeing to this arrangement. The agreement was alleged to be with groups who did not control the advertising.
“Political/social acitvist groups”
I think all this stuff about free speech is silly. There’s no reason to have free speech at this privately held company or a publicly held company. Just doesn’t really apply except in narrowly tailored circumstances. But that has been covered here and I don’t really care. Elon can decide and live with the consequences.
Just hoping that whatever comes of this Twitter won’t suck.
And I don’t currently see a product that people would pay for. Happy to continue using it for free while I doomscroll past a few ads.
Just give me my NWS and USGS content, and Caltrans content. Please! That stuff is the best. It’s amazing how US government agency stuff is of such high quality. Really remarkable; best in the world. Riveting.
I know of major earthquakes anywhere in the world in just seconds (ok, maybe a minute or two). What a time to be alive.
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Consumers then become the customers. Consumers have to see value.
Thinking, rational people don’t like to see extreme opinions, conspiracies, hate speech, anti-democracy opinions, and racism. Do you think this group will want to actually pay to be on Twitter.
Others will flock to their comrades online. These might pay, but then, how many are there? Has there been any sort of due diligence conducted by ‘ Captain Asperger’s ‘ beforehand?
At the rate of approx $1B per year out of his own fortune to maintain Twitter May not sound that bad. Until you consider what effect it starts to have on TSLA, his main (and only) piggy bank.
Whats the exit strategy?
Daniel in SD
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Pretty sure he’s just characterizing a trade group, Global Alliance for Responsible Media, as a woke mind virus or whatever.
Advertising revenue has probably continued to decline so he’s decided to use that as an excuse to do whatever he wants. In other words: look at what you made me do!
Daniel in SD
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No.
But I’m not the richest person in the world.
I will point out that his plan is to add all sorts of other stuff to Twitter. Banking, crypto?
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