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That was a pretty embarrassing interview for all parties involved. They talk about the woke mind virus as if it's not one of the most idiotic things Musk has ever tweeted. At one point they even seemed to defend slavery.

I think Maher has lived in California for too long. He seems to be defining the left by their most extreme elements.
Yeah, from a self described unbiased perspective it seemed a little bit cringe worthy. What I noticed most is, there were many if any truly clear, concise, coherent statements or topics talked through. When EM was trying to make a point, or respond to a question it seemed quite NOT thought out, not clear or coherent. I know, I know, he has an “issue” but one would think that more of these topics that he seems to want to address in more open forums would be more thought out with a concise and coherent narrative.

That point about slavery was one of those cringe worthy topics. The comment about George Washington is a valid statement, but frankly i really doubt that the ONE thing that elons friends, brothers cousins daughter was able to say about George Washington was that he (like most white male land owners in America of that era) had owned slaves. I’m pretty sure they could ALSO say, that he was the first president of the new United States. Most likely also appointed Commander of the continental Army (ok, maybe not in those words, but you get my point) He crossed the Delaware at night, in a boat (ok, now I’m getting silly but still, its a fact and one I think any high school student could regurgitate) and possibly some other “facts” . Yes, one of the ones that a high school student MIGHT consider more interesting or even controversial is that yes, he owned slaves.

I doubt that was all they could remember though, but it makes his point - or at least attempts to.

I do completely agree, however, about de-salinization and have said for many years that WHEN it needs to be solved, it can quite easily be solved. Certainly on the African continent and other places where SUN is abundant and close to water… getting rid of the waste brine is a bit more of a problem, but with abundant CLEAN energy that too is not a problem. Either move the waste into the Sahara, where nobody lives, and bring energy from Solar farms throughout that region. Or, as others have commented use higher energy intensive evaporative ways of producing clean potable water. More energy, less waste… but with solar energy isn’t the limiting constraint.

As a Pretorian, I would think he could have easily said “in my home/birth country of South Africa, in Cape Town it’s pretty much the planned future for their populations potable water”. It’s a great example… but he probably doesn’t want to highlight the fact that he was born in South Africa. Don’t know.
 
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That was a pretty embarrassing interview for all parties involved. They talk about the woke mind virus as if it's not one of the most idiotic things Musk has ever tweeted. At one point they even seemed to defend slavery.

I think Maher has lived in California for too long. He seems to be defining the left by their most extreme elements.
Maher has always been cringe all the way down, regardless of if you align with his politics or not.
 
This tweet and Rolling Stones are classical example of Woke Mind virus in action and media blatantly misrepresenting by omission.

Elon said that, kids all they learn today was they can only recollect Washington owned slaves and nothing else about him. As an example of indoctrination at schools.

But the article gives a biased and incorrect view of what he said. Lying b****rds. And the seawater not drinkable. I won't go near that nonsense on the claim that he had to be reminded on that.

And supporting slavery? really I didn't see anything remotely that would suggest that. Once a Woke mind virus takes control, this is what happens. Everything is looked at the Woke lens and out comes outrage and cancel.

And the people who read that and lap it up, either they have low IQ or low morals.
 
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This tweet and Rolling Stones are classical example of Woke Mind virus in action and media blatantly misrepresenting by omission.
You know which media outlet is guilty of a lot of lying by omission? All of them do this to some extent, but Faux News does it almost religiously. And then in November 2020, they not only continued lying by omission but they also started lying by commission. Of course, while lying by omission is legal, lying by commission is not when it is defamatory, which is what resulted in a $787.5 million payment to Dominion. And they're still on the hook for more lawsuits.
Elon said that, kids all they learn today was they can only recollect Washington owned slaves and nothing else about him. As an example of indoctrination at schools.
Which schools and which instructors does he claim are doing this? Burden's on Elon to give the names if he's going to make that claim and then those claims can be investigated. Because I'm really unaware of any schools that don't teach that Washington was the first POTUS and the Commander in Chief of the Continental Army (which is what I learned), so if he's going to make such a claim, he should give the names.
 
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You know which media outlet is guilty of a lot of lying by omission? All of them do this to some extent, but Faux News does it almost religiously. And then in November 2020, they not only continued lying by omission but they also started lying by commission. Of course, while lying by omission is legal, lying by commission is not when it is defamatory, which is what resulted in a $787.5 million payment to Dominion. And they're still on the hook for more lawsuits.
Agreed 💯

Media - both left and right - are a lying, dying cesspool. Would rather take Twitter to get news and opinion.

As a famous man once said:

 

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You know which media outlet is guilty of a lot of lying by omission? All of them do this to some extent, but Faux News does it almost religiously. And then in November 2020, they not only continued lying by omission but they also started lying by commission. Of course, while lying by omission is legal, lying by commission is not when it is defamatory, which is what resulted in a $787.5 million payment to Dominion. And they're still on the hook for more lawsuits.

Which schools and which instructors does he claim are doing this? Burden's on Elon to give the names if he's going to make that claim and then those claims can be investigated. Because I'm really unaware of any schools that don't teach that Washington was the first POTUS and the Commander in Chief of the Continental Army (which is what I learned), so if he's going to make such a claim, he should give the names.
wait, you’re saying Elon might.... make up something?
 
Elon said that, kids all they learn today was they can only recollect Washington owned slaves and nothing else about him. As an example of indoctrination at schools.
He said without evidence. It's an example of nothing at all.

If he were to say Mars is made of green cheese, and that that is what his colony will eat, you for one would believe him.
 
Elon said that, kids all they learn today was they can only recollect Washington owned slaves and nothing else about him. As an example of indoctrination at schools.
A completely made up example because I'm 100% sure that zero schools only teach that Washington owned slaves and nothing else.
And the people who read that and lap it up, either they have low IQ or low morals.
I certainly agree anyone who lapped up the nonsense Elon said about "indoctrination" do indeed fall in those categories.
 
A completely made up example because I'm 100% sure that zero schools only teach that Washington owned slaves and nothing else.
Which is why the first thought that comes to mind is "Ok, that's pretty bad if it's true. What are the names of the schools and instructors doing this?" Maher sucks for not asking him that question because that's the first thing I would have asked if I were doing the interview.
 
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This tweet and Rolling Stones are classical example of Woke Mind virus in action and media blatantly misrepresenting by omission.

Elon said that, kids all they learn today was they can only recollect Washington owned slaves and nothing else about him. As an example of indoctrination at schools.

But the article gives a biased and incorrect view of what he said. Lying b****rds. And the seawater not drinkable. I won't go near that nonsense on the claim that he had to be reminded on that.

And supporting slavery? really I didn't see anything remotely that would suggest that. Once a Woke mind virus takes control, this is what happens. Everything is looked at the Woke lens and out comes outrage and cancel.

And the people who read that and lap it up, either they have low IQ or low morals.

How would Elon know what kids learn? One of his disowned him.
 
Good thing Twitter isn't a click seeking machine...oh...wait...
Yeah, I laughed because the statement was so ironic. Twitter is one of the worst when it comes to this. Its entire design is trying to get clicks, down to the limited amount of characters allowed. News media on the other hand allow for long articles where you can get a lot more nuance, as long as you are willing to read past the title.
 
Yeah, from a self described unbiased perspective it seemed a little bit cringe worthy. What I noticed most is, there were many if any truly clear, concise, coherent statements or topics talked through. When EM was trying to make a point, or respond to a question it seemed quite NOT thought out, not clear or coherent. I know, I know, he has an “issue” but one would think that more of these topics that he seems to want to address in more open forums would be more thought out with a concise and coherent narrative.

That point about slavery was one of those cringe worthy topics. The comment about George Washington is a valid statement, but frankly i really doubt that the ONE thing that elons friends, brothers cousins daughter was able to say about George Washington was that he (like most white male land owners in America of that era) had owned slaves. I’m pretty sure they could ALSO say, that he was the first president of the new United States. Most likely also appointed Commander of the continental Army (ok, maybe not in those words, but you get my point) He crossed the Delaware at night, in a boat (ok, now I’m getting silly but still, its a fact and one I think any high school student could regurgitate) and possibly some other “facts” . Yes, one of the ones that a high school student MIGHT consider more interesting or even controversial is that yes, he owned slaves.

I doubt that was all they could remember though, but it makes his point - or at least attempts to.

I do completely agree, however, about de-salinization and have said for many years that WHEN it needs to be solved, it can quite easily be solved. Certainly on the African continent and other places where SUN is abundant and close to water… getting rid of the waste brine is a bit more of a problem, but with abundant CLEAN energy that too is not a problem. Either move the waste into the Sahara, where nobody lives, and bring energy from Solar farms throughout that region. Or, as others have commented use higher energy intensive evaporative ways of producing clean potable water. More energy, less waste… but with solar energy isn’t the limiting constraint.

As a Pretorian, I would think he could have easily said “in my home/birth country of South Africa, in Cape Town it’s pretty much the planned future for their populations potable water”. It’s a great example… but he probably doesn’t want to highlight the fact that he was born in South Africa. Don’t know.

As I understand it, desalinization might not be too expensive for the needs of people but most of our water goes to agriculture. On that scale the energy requirements could be a problem. Not an insurmountable one but enough to make food more expensive. Which isn't a problem for the rich countries but in the not so rich countries it could increase instability.

Washington owning slaves is correct I guess. It's kind of ridiculous to only bring up that one aspect of him when discussing him. I seriously doubt our education system is only labelling the Founding Fathers as slave owners. I think this is a conservative strawman. When I hear someone say something like this I assume they're just complaining because someone taught some child that slavery used to be a thing in America.
 
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A completely made up example because I'm 100% sure that zero schools only teach that Washington owned slaves and nothing else.

I certainly agree anyone who lapped up the nonsense Elon said about "indoctrination" do indeed fall in those categories.

How easy would it be to pass history class if this was true? 😆

Meanwhile, here are some facts from UCLA:

HISTORY CONTENT STANDARDS FOR GRADES K-4

TOPICSTANDARDS
Topic 1: Living and Working Together in Families and Communities, Now and Long AgoStandard 1: Family Life Now and in the Recent Past; Family Life in Various Places Long Ago
Standard 2: History of Students’ Local Community and How Communities in North America Varied Long Ago
Topic 2: The History of the Students’ Own State or RegionStandard 3: The People, Events, Problems, and Ideas that Created the History of Their State
Topic 3: The History of the United States: Democratic Principles and Values and the Peoples from Many Cultures Who Contributed to Its Cultural, Economic and Political HeritageStandard 4 : How Democratic Values Came to Be, and How They Have Been Exemplified by People, Events, and Symbols
Standard 5: The Causes and Nature of Various Movements of Large Groups of People into and within the United States, Now and Long Ago
Standard 6: Regional Folklore and Cultural Contributions That Helped to Form Our National Heritage
Topic 4: The History of Peoples of Many Cultures around the WorldStandard 7: Selected Attributes and Historical Developments of Various Societies in Africa, the Americas, Asia, and Europe
Standard 8: Major Discoveries in Science and Technology, Their Social and Economic Effects, and the Scientists and Inventors Responsible for Them

UNITED STATES HISTORY CONTENT STANDARDS FOR GRADES 5 -12


ERASTANDARDS
Era 1
Three Worlds Meet (Beginnings to 1620)
Standard 1: Comparative characteristics of societies in the Americas, Western Europe, and Western Africa that increasingly interacted after 1450
Standard 2: How early European exploration and colonization resulted in cultural and ecological interactions among previously unconnected peoples
Era 2
Colonization and Settlement (1585-1763)
Standard 1: Why the Americas attracted Europeans, why they brought enslaved Africans to their colonies, and how Europeans struggled for control of North America and the Caribbean
Standard 2: How political, religious, and social institutions emerged in the English colonies
Standard 3:How the values and institutions of European economic life took root in the colonies, and how slavery reshaped European and African life in the America
Era 3
Revolution and the New Nation (1754-1820s)
Standard 1: The causes of the American Revolution, the ideas and interests involved in forging the revolutionary movement, and the reasons for the American victory
Standard 2: The impact of the American Revolution on politics, economy, and society
Standard 3: The institutions and practices of government created during the Revolution and how they were revised between 1787 and 1815 to create the foundation of the American political system based on the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights
Era 4
Expansion and Reform (1801-1861)
Standard 1: United States territorial expansion between 1801 and 1861, and how it affected relations with external powers and Native Americans
Standard 2: How the industrial revolution, increasing immigration, the rapid expansion of slavery, and the westward movement changed the lives of Americans and led toward regional tensions
Standard 3: The extension, restriction, and reorganization of political democracy after 1800
Standard 4: The sources and character of cultural, religious, and social reform movements in the antebellum period
Era 5
Civil War and Reconstruction (1850-1877)
Standard 1: The causes of the Civil War
Standard 2: The course and character of the Civil War and its effects on the American people
Standard 3: How various reconstruction plans succeeded or failed
Era 6
The Development of the Industrial United States (1870-1900)
Standard 1: How the rise of corporations, heavy industry, and mechanized farming transformed the American people
Standard 2: Massive immigration after 1870 and how new social patterns, conflicts, and ideas of national unity developed amid growing cultural diversity
Standard 3: The rise of the American labor movement and how political issues reflected social and economic changes
Standard 4: Federal Indian policy and United States foreign policy after the Civil War
Era 7
The Emergence of Modern America (1890-1930)
Standard 1: How Progressives and others addressed problems of industrial capitalism, urbanization, and political corruption
Standard 2: The changing role of the United States in world affairs through World War I
Standard 3: How the United States changed from the end of World War I to the eve of the Great Depression
Era 8
The Great Depression and World War II (1929-1945)
Standard 1: The causes of the Great Depression and how it affected American society
Standard 2: How the New Deal addressed the Great Depression, transformed American federalism, and initiated the welfare state
Standard 3: The causes and course of World War II, the character of the war at home and abroad, and its reshaping of the U.S. role in world affairs
Era 9
Postwar United States (1945 to early 1970s)
Standard 1: The economic boom and social transformation of postwar United States
Standard 2: How the Cold War and conflicts in Korea and Vietnam influenced domestic and international politics
Standard 3: Domestic policies after World War II
Standard 4: The struggle for racial and gender equality and the extension of civil liberties
Era 10
Contemporary United States (1968 to the present)
Standard 1: Recent developments in foreign and domestic politics
Standard 2: Economic, social, and cultural developments in contemporary United States
 
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