Yes, there are people out there who will do this no doubt. However most people, like way over 50% of the car buying population purchase goods not based on what the CEO thinks politically. I sometimes wish they would so there wouldn't be such a huge line at Chick Filat.
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Elon & Twitter
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ElectricIAC
Good-Natured Rascal
Eh, I've never actually had to supercharge. Maybe my model 3 is better than some of its competition. But the gap is far closer than it used to be, and in some ways the competition has surpassed Tesla. I don't want to be associated in any way with that idiot. Once we're past the holidays, I intend to actively look for a new car and offload my M3P.
Like what reason? His single vote won't change the election outcome, the only impact the vote will have is symbolic once he made it public. Saying he didn't vote for Trump is not going to make him friends in Republican circles, if you're so sure he's going far right, why would he do this?
1. Elon is going far right
2. Elon is lying about voted for Biden
You can't have it both ways.
As for proof, he also said Trump shouldn't run for 2024, and he pushed back against Trump's claim that his 2020 election result is more important than the Constitution, and he said Trump would have lost 2020 no matter what. These are all proofs that he doesn't like Trump very much and consistent with his claim that he didn't vote for Trump.
I only Supercharge on holidays, and occasionally destination charge,
You must not do many trips where you drive long distances.
Joe Walsh
@WalshFreedom ·16h
"I generally ignore Elon, but he really reveals himself here. He’s what I used to be: an inflammatory, MAGA culture warrior. I’m conservative & proudly woke, and there’s a great conversation to be had about “woke,” but Elon, like all bullies, is afraid to have it. What a shame."
Elon Musk
@elonmusk·17h
"The woke mind virus is either defeated or nothing else matters"
I much prefer Joe's approach to discussing differences around this subject of "wokeness".
stopcrazypp
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I was wondering in the back of my mind what would happen to that account. If it gets shadowbanned, that pretty much shows how much "free speech" really was a priority at Twitter. You would think Elon would want to keep that account untouched as much as possible as clearly it would be a very good counterexample.
As a long running Tesla fan, that's what I'm worried about. Sure, right now the effect on sales is perhaps not that much, but this is not a good trend to be having and the maddening thing about it is that it is completely unnecessary.
ElectricIAC
Good-Natured Rascal
I think Elon could justify deboosting that account for personal security reasons but he really does need to be transparent about it. The coming update where you’re shown your account status will be the pudding as proof.
The places I go to are all either within range of a single charge or far enough that I’d rather just fly. Very little in that sweet spot where it’s too far to go on a single charge and too close to fly.
And at the end of the day, even if not perfect, ccs chargers do exist. I’ll deal with a little inconvenience if it means I no longer have to associate myself with Tesla.
Bet TSLA
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"Free speech" is what Elon's constantly harping on.
And yes, he starting with "absolute" and then has been slowly walking it back as he's learned that absolute free speech is something that nobody has or wants anywhere.
The reality is that what people want is "curated free speech". They want the government to set some boundaries, and the venue to have its own limitations. This can result in a China, Russia, Iran, or North Korea when the government hand is heavy. Or it can result in any other country's environment depending on the details.
Generally, it's not censorship that's a problem in most places, it's bad curation.
Elon vastly underestimates the cost of good curation, but if he doesn't have it then Twitter is doomed.
stopcrazypp
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To be fair however, if Elon was willing to self fund Twitter completely (I remember reading some of the former Twitter people suggested he do that if he wanted a true free speech platform), he can certainly make it a place of absolute free speech with minimal to no moderation. The problem however is it is obvious Elon is not ok with Twitter being money losing, especially given he sunk in $44 billion (which he didn't want to spend in first place, thus the lawsuit). So he remains at mercy at the advertisers. It's possible Elon can change his mind later though.
The problem as it relates to TSLA however is that a self funded Twitter would mean him selling more stock, and it's pretty hard to argue that would have zero impact on the stock price (even though you can make an argument about the other effects of the Twitter shenanigans).
The cult status of one of the richest and powerful man in the world, with 120M followers on a dopamine-reward machine like a social media platform he now owns, and who's been lately radicalized and radicalizing people with several micro-messages with no possibility of deeper context and discussion, makes writing a message like that dangerous. It is what it is, people are gullible and stupid and mentally unstable. It's the law of great numbers: the more you have influence, the more care you should put in what you put out there.
I'm sure Elon is smart enough to understand this.
ElectricIAC
Good-Natured Rascal
ElectricIAC
Good-Natured Rascal
Hard pass. Twitter.gov was a cancer that needed to be irradiated.
He's sometimes on local news, which is no surprise since I'm in the Bay Area and he's at UCSF.
Here are a few I turned up when checking for my local news stations w/his name:
COVID-19 News: Americans may need yearly shots to protect against coronavirus
Americans may need to get a single COVID-19 vaccination every year, federal health officials said Tuesday, making clear that the country will be living with the coronavirus for the foreseeable future.
abc7news.com
UCSF doctor who reviewed CA's 'endemic' plan highlights top priorities
UCSF's Dr. Bob Wachter reviewed California's new COVID-19 response plan before it was announced. Here's what he has to say about it.
abc7news.com
A Closer Look: Hospital Capacity Worry
All those big gatherings with family and friends will also be an uncomfortable reminder that we’re not done with COVID. We’re also dealing with an outbreak of RSV. NBC Bay Area’s Raj Mathai spoke to Dr. Bob Wachter, head of medicine at UCSF, about the latest outbreaks and what they mean for...
www.nbcbayarea.com
COVID Cases Rise as Winter Approaches
COVID numbers in San Francisco and in California are going up.
www.nbcbayarea.com
Bay Area hospitals preparing for COVID-19 patient surge
With the omicron variant driving COVID-19 cases to record-breaking levels, hospital systems are making changes including canceling surgeries, repositioning staff, not allowing visitors, and getting beds and supplies ready.
Top UCSF doctor says he's masking up again
Dr. Robert Wachter said he had been less careful when it came to masking in places like restaurants, but now, he will be back to wearing N95's in crowded indoor spaces.
ElectricIAC
Good-Natured Rascal
Still doesn’t ring a bell but I see the impetus behind their tweet after Elon’s “Branch Covidian” remark. Lol.He's sometimes on local news, which is no surprise since I'm in the Bay Area and he's at UCSF.
Here are a few I turned up when checking for my local news stations w/his name:
COVID-19 News: Americans may need yearly shots to protect against coronavirus
Americans may need to get a single COVID-19 vaccination every year, federal health officials said Tuesday, making clear that the country will be living with the coronavirus for the foreseeable future.UCSF doctor who reviewed CA's 'endemic' plan highlights top priorities
UCSF's Dr. Bob Wachter reviewed California's new COVID-19 response plan before it was announced. Here's what he has to say about it.A Closer Look: Hospital Capacity Worry
All those big gatherings with family and friends will also be an uncomfortable reminder that we’re not done with COVID. We’re also dealing with an outbreak of RSV. NBC Bay Area’s Raj Mathai spoke to Dr. Bob Wachter, head of medicine at UCSF, about the latest outbreaks and what they mean for...COVID Cases Rise as Winter Approaches
COVID numbers in San Francisco and in California are going up.Bay Area hospitals preparing for COVID-19 patient surge
With the omicron variant driving COVID-19 cases to record-breaking levels, hospital systems are making changes including canceling surgeries, repositioning staff, not allowing visitors, and getting beds and supplies ready.www.ktvu.com
Top UCSF doctor says he's masking up again
Dr. Robert Wachter said he had been less careful when it came to masking in places like restaurants, but now, he will be back to wearing N95's in crowded indoor spaces.
I watch local and national news (I switch between different stations and networks, intentionally) fairly regularly + some international coverage. Bob Wachter most definitely comes up sometimes on SF Bay Area local news when it comes to COVID. The above stations are our local ABC, NBC and Fox affiliates.
Maybe he's not on our CBS affiliate as much (KPIX): Study of long-term effects of COVID reinfections reveal lasting health problems.
KQED is a local major PBS station: UCSF's Bob Wachter Says COVID Still a 'Real Threat' — but He's Ready to Eat Inside a Restaurant | KQED.
UCSF's medical school has a really good rep:
www.ucsf.edu
www.ucsf.edu
Maybe he's not on our CBS affiliate as much (KPIX): Study of long-term effects of COVID reinfections reveal lasting health problems.
KQED is a local major PBS station: UCSF's Bob Wachter Says COVID Still a 'Real Threat' — but He's Ready to Eat Inside a Restaurant | KQED.
UCSF's medical school has a really good rep:
UCSF School of Medicine, Nursing Specialties Lead in National Education Rankings
UC San Francisco’s graduate programs received top ratings in this year’s U.S. News rankings of best graduate and professional schools.
UCSF Schools Earn Top Ratings in 2022 US News Grad Schools Rankings
UC San Francisco’s Schools of Medicine and Nursing received top ratings in this year’s U.S. News & World Report rankings of best graduate and professional schools.
ElectricIAC
Good-Natured Rascal
Yeah maybe that’s it. I don’t watch network tv/news past the occasional blurb that comes up on YouTube.
I have TiVo OnePasses (formerly Season Passes) for local news across the 3 networks for national news + local news for ABC, CBS, NBC and Fox (KTVU) + some other news shows (e.g. NHK Newsline, BBC World News America) + some other financial news that does cover some news like various shows on CNBC (e.g. Worldwide Exchange) or Bloomberg Surveillance.
For sure I don't have time to watch even 1/4 of all of that, but it leaves me flexibility to try switching to another network/station as I have the recordings and I have it keep only a few eps of each.
However, Bob Wachter would only tend to come more locally and probably less on national news. I did find the below with his name that seem to be meant for national, not local news:
Officials expected to decide on new COVID-19 vaccine design in early July
Biden administration bracing for challenging fall and winter of COVID-19
www.nbcnews.com
www.nbcnews.com
For sure I don't have time to watch even 1/4 of all of that, but it leaves me flexibility to try switching to another network/station as I have the recordings and I have it keep only a few eps of each.
However, Bob Wachter would only tend to come more locally and probably less on national news. I did find the below with his name that seem to be meant for national, not local news:
Officials expected to decide on new COVID-19 vaccine design in early July
Biden administration bracing for challenging fall and winter of COVID-19
85% of recent Covid deaths were people over 65. Why have so few gotten boosted?
Experts maintain that the new bivalent booster shot offers important protection. But less than a third of the most vulnerable age group has gotten it.
www.nbcnews.com
Covid will be a leading cause of death in the U.S. indefinitely, whether or not the pandemic is 'over'
Disease experts predict that Covid will remain among the top 10 causes of death in the U.S. for the foreseeable future.
www.nbcnews.com
While I do believe that Musk’s overt anti woke left politics will cost Tesla millions of potential customers (and if you disagree with that, just wait for 2024 when Musk is one of DeSantis biggest supporters), it still comes down to what is a reasonable discount for future demand concerns.
Whether those concerns are based on competition coming, new disruptive technology, recessions or boycotts of all things Musk, it’s all very speculative.
Meanwhile, each quarter, Tesla continues to sell out (at a good margin) more and more cars. Hmmm.
Should there be some discount to future earnings potential because of potential future reduction of demand? Absolutely.
Should that discount be as large as the SP currently implies? Absolutely not.
Whether those concerns are based on competition coming, new disruptive technology, recessions or boycotts of all things Musk, it’s all very speculative.
Meanwhile, each quarter, Tesla continues to sell out (at a good margin) more and more cars. Hmmm.
Should there be some discount to future earnings potential because of potential future reduction of demand? Absolutely.
Should that discount be as large as the SP currently implies? Absolutely not.
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