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Elon & Twitter
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JRP3
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You think Elon was telling the truth about that?
JRP3
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Tesla has significantly exceeded the jobs quota and is still hiring.
italian bread
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No one is disputing or commenting on why they are getting government funding. It's just an acknowledgement that Tesla is funded by the government and it is hypocritical to cast other organizations who get public funds in a bad light.
italian bread
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What is your source? I hope it isn't only Musk who already lied about Taibbi working for Substack.
JohnSnowNW
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Sorry to disturb your echo chamber.
My response :
It seems that you're attaching a negative connotation to the phrase "echo chamber," even though you have explicitly stated, in this very thread, that it is imperative construct one to successfully utilize Twitter.
Very confusing.
italian bread
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Wait, aren't "the Media" the liars and are bent on lying about Musk? This does not compute.
I'm so sad that Elon has once again stirred the pot with this nonsense. Does he do this to the Fox News account? He just said in the BBC interview that he wants Twitter to be THE place for people to come get their information, but he is showing his bias again with this act.
Now we have people trying to attack Tesla because they took a loan from the gov't years ago...no need to bring this up...a lot of us had to sit on here for years and fight that FUD when it came out. Elon needs to. SHUT.THE.F***.UP.
Now we have people trying to attack Tesla because they took a loan from the gov't years ago...no need to bring this up...a lot of us had to sit on here for years and fight that FUD when it came out. Elon needs to. SHUT.THE.F***.UP.
If the platform itself does not survive where is the question of free speech?.
Twitter has to survive and then thrive if it has to guard free speech zealously in its platform.
“State” funded Billionaire doesn’t like “State Funded” media being on his “State Funded” platform…..
State funded billionaire - my foot.
It is the other auto companies that are leeching tax payer money and have not shown anything in return. What bl**dy state funded? Give me an example ?
Regurgitating the lies from the media, I am not sure why the mods allow that kind of hate fest in this forum
It is the other auto companies that are leeching tax payer money and have not shown anything in return. What bl**dy state funded? Give me an example ?
Regurgitating the lies from the media, I am not sure why the mods allow that kind of hate fest in this forum
The Forum Rules are linked here. There is nothing stating people cannot have a negative opinion of Tesla or Elon Musk. This is a discussion forum, not an echo chamber.
It is absolutely true that Tesla received funds from the government and that the funding provided from the government helped propel them to where they are today. It is also true that Tesla had to take significant risks and innovate in order to make the best use of that nudge, and that other automakers had government funding available to them. Regardless of who had the funds available to them, one cannot say that Tesla didn't take them. They were aided by funding by the federal (and some state) governments - a point that is undeniable. Deflecting from this fact doesn't make it untrue, and even that claim that you're making isn't removed from this thread as it doesn't violate the Forum Rules.
italian bread
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Does free speech include shadowbanning users?
Twitter a "public square" where, if you pay, you get more speaking privileges than those who don't pay. It's where the owner of the square gets to limit your speaking privileges on a whim. It's where the owner gets to lie about their potential competitors (Substack) and because of his large following and being "max boosted", his voice drowns out others.
After Matt Taibbi Leaves Twitter, Elon Musk ‘Shadow Bans’ All Of Taibbi’s Tweets, Including The Twitter Files
One segment of the absolutely brutal interview involves Hasan asking Taibbi the very question that Taibbi had said he wanted to come on the show to answer: what was his opinion of Musk blocking Twitter accounts in India, including those of journalists and activists, that were critical of the Modi government? Hasan notes that Taibbi has talked up how he believes Musk is supporting free speech, and asked Taibbi if he’d like to criticize the blocking of journalists.Taibbi refused to do so, and claimed he doesn’t really know about the story, even though it was the very story that Hasan initially tweeted about that resulted in Taibbi saying he’d tell Hasan his opinion on the story if he was invited on the show.
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By Friday, that exchange became even more embarrassing. Because, due to a separate dispute that Elon was having with Substack (more on that in a bit), he [Musk] decided to arbitrarily bar anyone from retweeting, replying, or even liking any tweet that had a Substack link in it. But Taibbi’s vast income stems from having one of the largest paying Substack subscriber bases. So, in rapid succession he announced that he was leaving Twitter, and would rely on Substack, and that this would likely limit his ability to continue working on the Twitter Files. Minutes later, Elon Musk unfollowed Taibbi on Twitter.
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Mashable’s Matt Binder solved the mystery and revealed, somewhat hilariously, that Taibbi’s acount appears to have been “max deboosted” or, in Twitter’s terms, had the highest level of visibility filters applied, meaning you can’t find Taibbi in search. Or, in the parlance of today, he shadowbanned Matt Taibbi.
bkp_duke
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SSSSSHHHHHH, those in the echo chamber don't like facts.
Facts like GM STILL hasn't paid back their bailout money from 2008/2009. Facts like Ford took a large gov loan at the time to avoid bankruptcy, that also hasn't been paid back. Facts like both of those companies, and Toyota, Nissan, BMW, Mercedes ALL get local tax incentives to build factories and create jobs in whatever state they are going into.
The facts on Tesla is that they had a DOE loan very early on, and paid that back in full with interest, early. They paid it back early because the provisions in the loan were so bad that Tesla didn't want to be beholden to the DOE.
Everything else Tesla has "gotten from the government" was equally available to any other company building EVs. That was kinda the point of the EV "incentives", to spur the industry on.
Yes, we’re all Elon haters. That’s why we all bought his cars and TSLA stonks and many of us have been on the Tesla forum for years.
The word hate doesn’t apply, really. I think every single person who regularly posts on this thread believes there are good things and not so good things about Elon and that’s generally what the focus is until someone who views him in similar terms to a religious leader comes in and trolls simply to elicit a response and make themselves feel good by what they think is ”owning some libs...” but is really just “owning some rational people."
No one is all good or all bad. No one, and that includes Musk.
The world is a significantly more complex place than those who stir partisanship want the sheep to believe. It also is corrosive to try to render that complex world in 140-character pronouncements and talking points.
This is whataboutism. None of this refutes the point Tesla was state funded.
bkp_duke
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BS. Tesla was no more "state funded" than any other automaker. Less actually, if you look at the facts about how much we currently pay in subsidies to oil and gas each year, which indirectly funds ICE manufs by keeping fuel prices artificially low.
You want to talk about TAX BREAKS, you should do some homework and look at all the tax breaks available to oil pumpers, land owners, and refineries. They have been in place for 50+ years and are mind-bogglingly high.
JRP3
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That's the point, Elon complains about "state funded" media while ignoring that Tesla is part of the "state funded" auto industry, according to his definitions.
bkp_duke
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You are, conveniently, neglecting to mention that Tesla has ASKED REPEATEDLY for an even playing field by removing ALL subsidies. Both for EVs and oil/gas.
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Elon Musk says the US should ‘get rid of all’ government subsidies
Citing the federal deficit
www.theverge.com
Until that happens, it would literally be a breach of fiduciary duty for Tesla to not take advantage of any EV subsidies available to them.
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