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Very interesting analysis, Geradf. Thank you very much.
One question: Do employees in the Netherlands have to pay for the fuel they consume or do they usually receive a company fuel card? The reason I am asking of course is the possible additional fuel savings.
Gerardf
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Good question.
The employee normally has to pay nothing. Typically company car owners get a tank card. The tax I describe is to tax the private advantage that an employee has for using the car in private, it is considered income, thus the percentage added to the taxable income. In case one can proof the car is not used for private the tax is waived. However such is not easy to proof.
However, the lower costs for gas / energy should result in lower monthly lease fees for the employer... Or more options that can be bought within the lease-car budget.
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Q1 guidance 16000 is only 1K less than Q4 delivery 17000. If compare January to October EU delivery, it's 676 vs. 1047. Will be interesting to see how well Feb delivery goes?
Don't forget up to 2000 Model X deliveries, so Model S deliveries can be 3000 lower to hit the number. Europe being S only will not have to push as hard as last quarter.
I am hugely skeptical on a like for like basis the cars will be even close price wise.
The Bolt will likely come with a decent radio, sunroof, comfortable seats, leather, parking sensors, heated steering wheel, fog lights, roof bars, etc. etc. out of the box even in middling trim variants.
Compared to the Tesla which, based on the current design studio model of maximising gross margin through options (some of which really should be standard, and others clearly half done to drive upgrades), it is highly likely to be significantly more expensive than the headline numbers in a specification you would actually want to own.
On this basis, and given the same pot of money, the choice will be between the badge kudos and supercharger infrastructure of the Tesla, or the creature comforts of the Bolt. I think there will be a market for both. I certainly would consider the Bolt, as I don't need/use supercharging.
MrBacardi from elbilforum.no is has not been updating the thread with weekly delivery numbers for the last two weeks. Do any TMC people from Norway know what´s going on?
Last update is of Feb 13: (Nesten) 1500 nye Model S registrert i Mars!
Last update is of Feb 13: (Nesten) 1500 nye Model S registrert i Mars!
I don't know why, but lately he has dropped to update that thread each week, and only update Elbilsalget måned for måned (BEV sale month for month), where he puts the delivery numbers on all BEV's - including Tesla. His latest is from February 20 - last Saturday. I do expect him to update this thread today - or maybe he is waiting for the end of month - where he probably will update both threads. Mind you, this numbers includes used car imports and other sources of error.
Tesla deliveries in Norway in February - as of February 20. - is 27.
Looks like Germany ministers have finally agreed on incentives for EV, as Der Spiegel reports (saw this on the short term thread, and followed to the original source of the articles quoted there):
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This is not official yet, there will be another meeting with manufacturers in mid-April, but plans of the government are:
- 5000 EUR for private buyers
- 3000 EUR for commercial buyers
- Starting July 2016
- Dropping 500 EUR every year
- 40% coming from car manufacturers
Also part of the same program (total of 1.3 billion EUR):
- 15,000 new charing points
- funding for battery research
- 20% or more of German federal car purchases to be EVs
Looks like this includes plug-in hybrids
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This is not official yet, there will be another meeting with manufacturers in mid-April, but plans of the government are:
- 5000 EUR for private buyers
- 3000 EUR for commercial buyers
- Starting July 2016
- Dropping 500 EUR every year
- 40% coming from car manufacturers
Also part of the same program (total of 1.3 billion EUR):
- 15,000 new charing points
- funding for battery research
- 20% or more of German federal car purchases to be EVs
Looks like this includes plug-in hybrids
.
Thanks for the link hobbes.
Here is Clean Technica article on the same subject: Germany considering e5000 electric car subsidy, with automakers contributing 40%
I missed a reference to hybrids in both Clean Technica article and in your link. It seems to me that the incentive is only for electric cars.
This incentive will drive sales of electric cars in Germany.
Big opportunity in the European Union is if similar regulation is introduced at the EU level, rather than at the individual country level.
Benz
Active Member
Plugin Hybrids are included, see end of the article:
Also see this article which states the eligiblity of PHEVs explicitely:
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Thanks for clarification hobbes.
My read of the statement
is that it refers to electric vehicles.
I would not use a term electric vehicle for hybrids. However, the photos below the statement seem to confirm your interpretation, that hybrids are included.
And then look at that photo gallery they are referring to with the gallery title "Purchase premium for plug-in hybrids: Aid for the 130,000-euro "
Doesn´t make sense to me either to include PHEVs - but I guess the German car makers without competitive pure EVs have some power here, especially since they pay for 40% of the incentives. But looks like THE German car market research guy thinks that PHEVs are a dead end, see this thread:
Prof. Ferdinand Dudenhöffer admits that Tesla is the benchmarks for all EV's
Prof. Ferdinand Dudenhöffer admits that Tesla is the benchmarks for all EV's
AustinPowers
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I am not able to get the detailed file yet, but the KBA summary article explicitely mentions 91 newly registered Teslas (presumably all Model S this time) in February, a plus of 250 percent versus February 2015.
Original article (in German) here:
http://www.kba.de/DE/Presse/Pressemitteilungen/2016/Fahrzeugzulassungen/pm07_2016_n_02_16_pm_komplett.html?nn=716864
Original article (in German) here:
http://www.kba.de/DE/Presse/Pressemitteilungen/2016/Fahrzeugzulassungen/pm07_2016_n_02_16_pm_komplett.html?nn=716864
Thanks! But someone was quicker and had already posted it to the wiki: Tesla Europe Registration Stats - Tesla Motors Club - Enthusiasts & Owners Forum
So we have some data on our 2 missing countries:
I believe Denmark shows only 2 Teslas for February, but someone speaking Danish should confirm.
For Switzerland they do not have the detailed model list out yet, but the cumulative deliveries of pure EVs for February shows 135 - assuming 10-20 of those are other brands (there were 12 Leafs sold in January...)
Altogether looks like 650-660 for February which is a bit soft compared to January, but I would assume March will go up as shipments of January manufacturing arrive our side of the Atlantic.
The UK seems to be a wildcard with the official site not being updated for even Q4 to give us a better estimate than the Q3 based 107 per month... anything can happen there.
PS: Don't even get me started on my own country which seems to be the only place in the EU where data is not available for free (i have asked), and the only thing they do publish is 2x a year cumulatives per brand - and Tesla being mixed in "others" I would have to wait for the annual statistics (not available for 2015 yet...) to be able to report. With no official Tesla presence in Budapest yet, though, our numbers are probably immaterial - if anything we may be a market for second hand Western European Teslas like with many other brands.
I believe Denmark shows only 2 Teslas for February, but someone speaking Danish should confirm.
For Switzerland they do not have the detailed model list out yet, but the cumulative deliveries of pure EVs for February shows 135 - assuming 10-20 of those are other brands (there were 12 Leafs sold in January...)
Altogether looks like 650-660 for February which is a bit soft compared to January, but I would assume March will go up as shipments of January manufacturing arrive our side of the Atlantic.
The UK seems to be a wildcard with the official site not being updated for even Q4 to give us a better estimate than the Q3 based 107 per month... anything can happen there.
PS: Don't even get me started on my own country which seems to be the only place in the EU where data is not available for free (i have asked), and the only thing they do publish is 2x a year cumulatives per brand - and Tesla being mixed in "others" I would have to wait for the annual statistics (not available for 2015 yet...) to be able to report. With no official Tesla presence in Budapest yet, though, our numbers are probably immaterial - if anything we may be a market for second hand Western European Teslas like with many other brands.
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