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exactly what makes you come to the conclusion that trump supporters do not own teslas or other ev's?
ucmndd
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ucmndd
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Data.
Clearly it's not a hard and fast rule, but it's also no surprise that liberal-leaning areas have vastly higher numbers of EV registrations. This is old data but I suspect if anything it's an even more dramatic difference today:
Fact #876: June 8, 2015 Plug-in Electric Vehicle Penetration by State, 2014 | Department of Energy
With one or two exceptions that's basically an electoral map for recent presidential contests.
Seems everyone else is slowly starting to catch up...
There have now been over 540,000 electric vehicles sold in the U.S.
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Such is the paradox of life in the USA. Cars do not care who you vote for, if at all. They SHOULD!!! But they don't. Damn.
Perhaps if you glue an Emmy on the bonnet, it will be easier for us EV drivers to tell which other EV driver bought cars simply for political purposes? Give it a shot and report back. I don't think Emmys are difficult to come by. They even gave one to Alec Baldwin for playing an old rich white guy, so they must hand them out at the door.
Nothing. Just figure if hostility due to political reasons was going to come from anywhere, it'd likely come from Republicans. I've not seen much of anything negative said about Tesla from Democrats/liberals(largely because of their stance on climate change), but have seen articles on, for example, Breitbart, calling Teslas, and EV's generally, "commie cars".
For the record, not that it matters much, I, personally, skew conservative, though much closer to libertarian than republican.
Over here in Europe, after driving nearly four years in a Tesla:
- one cynical comment about tax payers subsidising my car (which is true, car taxes in Belgium are based on what amount of pollution comes out of the exhaust, so EV's are privileged);
- three or four comments about EV's not being greener than ICE cars (spontaneous initial comments - I never, ever, myself bring up the subject of "greenness" - the only thing I dare reply is that our medieval city centers and their inhabitants would have respectively their facades and lungs less blackened if all cars were EV's - I never engage in the CO2 discussion - I'm not a climate scientist, and those starting the discussion with me aren't either);
- tens of comments/questions on range anxiety - that's really the only thing everyone is afraid of;
- more than a hundred compliments and "wows", especially from passengers, but also from people just passing by.
In August I was in the south of France and a Corvette Z06 wanted to race me, so we did. Corvette won by a large margin (surprisingly, to me - perhaps a Corvette Z06 could/should win, but not by such a large margin, over a S85D). I made the day of that guy, and gave him a thumbs up. Then I realised I had turned "range mode" ON the day before, on my long road trip to France, so I was only using the front motor of my S85D for that race.... That was actually a good lesson: when racing a muscle car, turn range mode ON; you will make someone very happy and you will have done your good deed for that day
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- one cynical comment about tax payers subsidising my car (which is true, car taxes in Belgium are based on what amount of pollution comes out of the exhaust, so EV's are privileged);
- three or four comments about EV's not being greener than ICE cars (spontaneous initial comments - I never, ever, myself bring up the subject of "greenness" - the only thing I dare reply is that our medieval city centers and their inhabitants would have respectively their facades and lungs less blackened if all cars were EV's - I never engage in the CO2 discussion - I'm not a climate scientist, and those starting the discussion with me aren't either);
- tens of comments/questions on range anxiety - that's really the only thing everyone is afraid of;
- more than a hundred compliments and "wows", especially from passengers, but also from people just passing by.
In August I was in the south of France and a Corvette Z06 wanted to race me, so we did. Corvette won by a large margin (surprisingly, to me - perhaps a Corvette Z06 could/should win, but not by such a large margin, over a S85D). I made the day of that guy, and gave him a thumbs up. Then I realised I had turned "range mode" ON the day before, on my long road trip to France, so I was only using the front motor of my S85D for that race.... That was actually a good lesson: when racing a muscle car, turn range mode ON; you will make someone very happy and you will have done your good deed for that day
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I repeat my question, why would any hostility towards your choice in cars come from republicans?
have you allowed yourself to be conditioned by an avowed anti republican/anti trump media and came to that conclusion? or is it that you've met any narrow minded republicans personally that had animus feelings or made insulting comments to you that generated your figuring?
quite frankly I find your comment to be quite offensive.
arcus
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In August I was in the south of France and a Corvette Z06 wanted to race me, so we did. Corvette won by a large margin (surprisingly, to me - perhaps a Corvette Z06 could/should win, but not by such a large margin, over a S85D). I made the day of that guy, and gave him a thumbs up. Then I realised I had turned "range mode" ON the day before, on my long road trip to France, so I was only using the front motor of my S85D for that race.... That was actually a good lesson: when racing a muscle car, turn range mode ON; you will make someone very happy and you will have done your good deed for that day
That's hilarious! Great advice though
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In August I was in the south of France and a Corvette Z06 wanted to race me, so we did. Corvette won by a large margin (surprisingly, to me - perhaps a Corvette Z06 could/should win, but not by such a large margin, over a S85D). I made the day of that guy, and gave him a thumbs up. Then I realised I had turned "range mode" ON the day before, on my long road trip to France, so I was only using the front motor of my S85D for that race.... That was actually a good lesson: when racing a muscle car, turn range mode ON; you will make someone very happy and you will have done your good deed for that day
I wouldn't feel bad. While the car might have looked stock, Vettes are 'like a box of chocolates', you never know what you'll get.
If someone could afford a Z06 at Euro pricing, they could surely afford to dial up the horsepower a bunch. They are easy to make faster.
I think I stated why in the following sentences. I've seen animus towards EV's in general, and Tesla's in particular from pro-republican/pro-Trump media. I gave Breitbart as a specific example, but I've seen similar, though perhaps less blunt, pieces from Fox, The Wall Street Journal, and the political efforts of the Koch brothers.
I somewhat regret making that mention at all, but it was only ever about some Republican/Trump leaning people being against EV's(and Tesla's specifically), not all. As I mentioned, I skew conservative and have voted for Republicans in the past, including some in this last election, and am certainly not opposed to EV's or Tesla.
I can't be certain but I don't think that smearing any group of people with such a broad brush is wise to do, I bet that you can find many on the far left, socialist leaning types who are probably vehemently opposed to private ownership of any luxury vehicle.
It's an illusion.
The biggest difference statistically between EV buyers and conventional car buyers is wealth, which is disproportionately white males.
While EV buyers are younger, they are not 'young', the mean age is still over 40.
Study: Electric car buyers are younger but richer
So EVs are for rich white men really. What is the most common stereotype for Republicans?
are you trying to claim that only white men are wealthy? really?
Absolutely not. The media stereotype of Republicans has traditionally pointed that way for years, since the Democratic Party is the hard working proletariat, minorities, and women, and the Republicans are the evil bankers.
Then, when it was necessary to get campaign funds from the bankers, it switched. Republicans became grade school dropouts who married their cousins and are all bigots.
At one point Republicans all believed the Earth was 6,000 years old, and were all Protestants.
It changes. And it has nothing to do with cars, EV or otherwise. Yet it pops up in nearly every EV thread. Yes, even EV owners need to be able to look down on other folk. We just make up a group as we see fit.
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SeminoleFSU
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I'd be curious how much/if that's changed in the last two years(that article is from May 2015). (because this thread seems to be getting touchy: I'm not attempting to make any implication that any such change exists, merely expressing genuine interest in whether that's been held constant)
You must not live in Viginia because DMV has a special EV tax to make sure we all pay some kind of tax
And bringing all this political conversation back to topic (EV hostility)? Has anyone felt it necessary to use their cellphone to call 911 for any EV hostility that has been shown to them? Personally, I would just back away from any idiot who appears hostile. I would NEVER race anyone because 1.) I could lose and I don't want the SOB to go around trashing Teslat, 2.) I'm the one that would get the traffic citation??, and 3.) If I won, it just might ticke the guy off so much he would really be hostile.
