EV tariffs - really only 3 at the moment?

[DaveNN]

That is correct. It is always 23:30 - 5:30 plus any additional slots if lucky.

But minimum is always same

We are on it now but I've a ruddy early start tomorrow.

 

[Whyone]

......I imagine this is probably a bit of an uncommon scenario.

Errrrr.....yes!

 

[Billbrown1982]

Errrrr.....yes!

Probably not for long mind....new builds are supposed to start having seperate meters for EV chargers. Only a matter of time until they find a way to tax us at source I'm sure.

 

[DaveNN]

I'd be binning one meter and saving some cash

 

[DaveNN]

Probably not for long mind....new builds are supposed to start having seperate meters for EV chargers. Only a matter of time until they find a way to tax us at source I'm sure.

Is that really the case?
I can't imagine that happening.
Not all new build owners will want an EV and what's to stop the use of a granny charger?
IO have this as an option.

 

[Whyone]

Probably not for long mind....new builds are supposed to start having seperate meters for EV chargers....

Not on the new builds around here....have quizzed 3 recently about EV charging provisions on behalf of my son.

Nothing.

Nadda.

Certainly no 2 meter.set-ups.

 

[Radders]

Not on the new builds around here....have quizzed 3 recently about EV charging provisions on behalf of my son.

Nothing.

Nadda.

Certainly no 2 meter.set-ups.

It’s now a Building Regulation requirement (England) for all new houses / flats etc where they have off street parking to provide ev charging (subject to a few get out clauses such as cost) came in June 2022 but will take some time to filter through, although I know some councils near me have put it in as a planning requirement prior to the building regs changes. Nothing re 2 meters though, at least not in the Building Regulations

 

[Billbrown1982]

I know I read it somewhere but google only brings up this crackpot site who I wouldn't trust, but i'm sure I saw the article on a more reputable site.

As always though, I could be wrong...

 

[Radders]

I know I read it somewhere but google only brings up this crackpot site who I wouldn't trust, but i'm sure I saw the article on a more reputable site.

As always though, I could be wrong...

Possibly in the wiring regs or somewhere, I can imagine the govt wanting to do something like that so they can tax us.

 

[Lostgear]

I’m on the Scottish Power standard online tariff with a 12p cheap rate. But for the life of me i can’t find what the cheep rate hours are. Does anybody know.

 

[Mrklaw]

for IO - if you’re a rare charger I think its a bit of a gap in octopus’ plan right now. Technically yes you get the 6 hours but thats predicated on Octopus controlling when you charge. Yes that might mean you get an ‘out of hours’ bonus slot, but also means Octopus might avoid eg 1am-2am if thats going to be a high CO2 or expensive slot. Yes you’re still getting cheap rate at that time but your household baseload will be much lower than an EV so octopus controlling the large EV demand is worth trading an extra couple of hours for your house.

As long as you use the app to schedule your car though there shouldn’t be a problem

 

[DaveNN]

for IO - if you’re a rare charger I think its a bit of a gap in octopus’ plan right now. Technically yes you get the 6 hours but thats predicated on Octopus controlling when you charge. Yes that might mean you get an ‘out of hours’ bonus slot, but also means Octopus might avoid eg 1am-2am if thats going to be a high CO2 or expensive slot. Yes you’re still getting cheap rate at that time but your household baseload will be much lower than an EV so octopus controlling the large EV demand is worth trading an extra couple of hours for your house.

As long as you use the app to schedule your car though there shouldn’t be a problem

This.

 

[djtaylor]

depends... if wife refuses to do washing during the off-peak only...

Trade in and upgrade to an off peak wife.
I've got mine doing her hair and drying it before the end of our off peak.

 

[Lx2m3]

Is the Tesla Energy Plan still available/viable?

 

[djtaylor]

I’m on the Scottish Power standard online tariff with a 12p cheap rate. But for the life of me i can’t find what the cheep rate hours are. Does anybody know.

I'm on Scottish Power but I think the time clock was set on the day when the clocks changed or something?
Our off peak in winter is 1:55am to 8:55am (which is rather useful) and summer a further hour ahead which is very useful. That gives us off peak for all the morning load.
Then we flip over to battery for the rest of the day.
Ours is an analogue clock unit to easy to see what the period is.

 

[Utumno]

Trade in and upgrade to an off peak wife.
I've got mine doing her hair and drying it before the end of our off peak.

My wife is very much off her peak. Doesn’t cost me less in electricity though. I must be doing it wrong.

 

[WannabeOwner]

Not all new build owners will want an EV and what's to stop the use of a granny charger?

Sounds like PV wiring would be more complicated with 2x meters / circuits too? ... PV to house, and then "spill-over" any excess to EV charger.

My bet is that there will never be a tax on EV charging (PV / Granny Chargers / generators too difficult), but instead a mileage-levy (an annual declaration / MOT seems easiest to implement retrospectively, but could be spy-in-cab I suppose - which would also allow charging by time-of-use, which would definitely be better than annual-declaration as it would shift some traffic to off-peak)

 

[spooksman]

Two smart meters, two separate electrical connections, two bills

And two standing charges?

 

[Jason71]

With the Day rate on Go/Intelligence being much higher than the price cap right now it begs the question so how much night time electricity do I have to use to make it actually cheaper to use IO/Go.
So I thought I would work it out.

using typical figures of:
Price Cap Fixed Rate = 34p
Go/IO day rate = 41.6p
Go Night = 12p
IO Night = 10p
That means that currently to break even with price cap you would have to overnight use:
IO = 22.6%
Go = 24.1%
Use less than that and flat rate price cap is cheaper. use more and Go/IO is better. That might sound like a lot but I recon the average 3-4 bed with gas heating might use between 10-20 kwh per day (excluding charging) which means you would only have to be charging for between 2.5-5 hours per week on a 7kw charger before reaching the break even point.
This is the worst case of course that assumes no other night time use like dishwasher/tumble drier etc. if you are using a couple of kw a night anyway that number could easily fall to as little as 1.5-3.5 hours charging a week to break even.
for reference ( by my GCSE maths) the formula to work out the % of electricity that has to be used at night rate to break even is:

100*(Fixed rate - Day rate)/(Night rate - Day rate)

this is all assuming standing charge is the same on all tariffs or close enough to make no difference

 

[Redbaron73]

With the Day rate on Go/Intelligence being much higher than the price cap right now it begs the question so how much night time electricity do I have to use to make it actually cheaper to use IO/Go.
So I thought I would work it out.

using typical figures of:
Price Cap Fixed Rate = 34p
Go/IO day rate = 41.6p
Go Night = 12p
IO Night = 10p
That means that currently to break even with price cap you would have to overnight use:
IO = 22.6%
Go = 24.1%
Use less than that and flat rate price cap is cheaper. use more and Go/IO is better. That might sound like a lot but I recon the average 3-4 bed with gas heating might use between 10-20 kwh per day (excluding charging) which means you would only have to be charging for between 2.5-5 hours per week on a 7kw charger before reaching the break even point.
This is the worst case of course that assumes no other night time use like dishwasher/tumble drier etc. if you are using a couple of kw a night anyway that number could easily fall to as little as 1.5-3.5 hours charging a week to break even.
for reference ( by my GCSE maths) the formula to work out the % of electricity that has to be used at night rate to break even is:

100*(Fixed rate - Day rate)/(Night rate - Day rate)

this is all assuming standing charge is the same on all tariffs or close enough to make no difference

Or bite the bullet and fit battery storage for home ( and Solar for thw whole hog apprach) then charge those batts at 10p too... Yes its big upfront cost but the potential for "everything at 10p in nov/dec/jan/feb and pretty much free for rest of year will start to offset it pretty quickly...

To be transparent i have 12kwh of batts and 6.5kw panels... so am a little biased.. but funded via mortgage cost me nothing up front at 100quid a month. Im saving more than that.