So much for the doom & gloom I’ve read in several threads, where many were convinced the Republicans would kill the EV tax credits. The credits will remain untouched in 2018, with the full $7,500 credit available where applicable.
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It’s funny though that I would get a ‘disagree’ for simply stating a fact I thought some might not yet have heard. Political hatred does funny things to some. 
Xenius
Active Member
Remember, the 7500 credit actually hurts Tesla. They're much closer to the cap than any other car company.
Additionally if we leveled the playing field by getting rid of all subsidies, the picture would be much different (and better for EVs).
Additionally if we leveled the playing field by getting rid of all subsidies, the picture would be much different (and better for EVs).
If we got rid of all subsidies, most here would be screaming. You can’t win.
I think the continuation of the credit is a good thing for the growth of the EV industry. How could it not? If we’re serious about this, even if Tesla’s subsidies are the first to extinguish, we still have to acknowledge it’s a good thing for EVs in general.
A better case could be made for removing the 200,000 phase out.
Xenius
Active Member
It's good on a small scale, but on the larger timeline it doesn't matter. Technology has gotten to a point where a transition to EVs is inevitable. If instead of the 7500 ev credit we immediately stopped subsidy of oil/gas there'd be a much faster shift.
Keeping an EV tax credit when so many countries are already mandating EVs is akin to throwing fuel on a fire. Fun to do an watch, but not needed.
I agree that the subsidies hurt Tesla when compared to other cheaper cars. Come this time next year it will be interesting to hear some complain about no more subsidies. As for the Oil/Gas once the US becomes more independent I think the subsidy will drop and become less of a factor do to it being cheaper from the start. Transportation of Oil/Gas is a large part of the price.
Best would be to price carbon correctly and redistribute the proceeds evenly.
whitex
Well-Known Member
Absolutely, but remember that this is not a Tesla subsidy, it's an EV incentive, and it will continue to work as such by helping Tesla competitors to introduce new EV's which are needed. Competition is a good thing for consumers, even Tesla buyers.
Pinot.Noir
Member
The best path forward for EV's is to make the carpool lanes EV lanes. How many cars with 2-3 occupants are actually carpooling? Most of them are just families or retired couples on a trip, not the reason carpool lanes exist. Make them EV lanes only and that $7500 becomes far less important
whitex
Well-Known Member
Well, that depends on what the purpose of carpool lanes is.
If it's to reduce pollution, then more EV's definitely helps, however the irony is that EV's are more efficient in stop-and-go traffic while ICE cars pollute less when cruising, so speaking pragmatically you should be prioritizing ICE cars for the carpool lane and have EV's drive in stop-and-go to result in least pollution.
If the purpose of the carpool lanes is to reduce congestion on the roads, then what matters is reduce the number of cars on the road, not whether it's an EV or ICE. As a side note, that is exactly the position of Washington State government, and an official reason for EV's not getting HOV lane access ("we have a congestion problem, not a pollution problem").
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