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FSD just increased price
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tuoncan
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And it's true now isn't it? Consider that was a flash sale in March. The price of FSD will keep going up as they have been telling us all along.
Elon told us lots of thing, including the "Tesla Price Increase Announced By Elon On March 24, 2019 - Elon Musk" which turns out they did eventually raised it for weeks then lowered down the price later when bundled up with autopilot?
After reading this thread, I checked my AP upgrade page and FSD has gone from $7k to $8k too. I purchased my car at the end of March and saved a copy of the page showing $5k at delivery, $7k post. Presumably we can hold Tesla to that price if it comes to it, but I can wait it out 
(It just seems such a mess. If I hadn't bought AP with the car, I could have had a trial of AP+FSD with a 60 day post delivery price of $8500 total)
(It just seems such a mess. If I hadn't bought AP with the car, I could have had a trial of AP+FSD with a 60 day post delivery price of $8500 total)
Fernand
Active Member
The interesting thing is how many EAP owners WOULD be willing to
loan Elon another say $2-3k for nothing now, but future developments.
It's much like the $1k "reservation" fee. Even Apple hasn't dared to do
that one. And it's a lot like trading Tesla stock. An indicator of trust/faith.
I wonder how many M3 owners believe that, with a 3.0 board, an M3
is going to, regulatory issues aside, safely fully navigate itself on city
streets with kids and dogs and bicycles "later this year"?
To where they compete with Uber, wheel & pedals can be removed?
Let's say it does. What can Elon then surcharge the new Model 3/Y
buyer for that capability? Over $8K? More than $11k? I dunno ...
And what can he then get from the EAP owner who's OK with what
he has, i.e. highway FSD and city TACC/AS? Another $6k? maybe ...
As to those of us kicking ourselves for missing the $2k upgrade secret
sale, think of Elon probably kicking himself for not having gotten EVERY
ONE of the early adopters, the EAP buyers, to hand him another $2-$3k
in cash in February and made that 1st quarter look not quite as dismal.
Hey, Elon baby, there's still Q2, he says, dangling 30 Franklins times
probably 80,000.
loan Elon another say $2-3k for nothing now, but future developments.
It's much like the $1k "reservation" fee. Even Apple hasn't dared to do
that one. And it's a lot like trading Tesla stock. An indicator of trust/faith.
I wonder how many M3 owners believe that, with a 3.0 board, an M3
is going to, regulatory issues aside, safely fully navigate itself on city
streets with kids and dogs and bicycles "later this year"?
To where they compete with Uber, wheel & pedals can be removed?
Let's say it does. What can Elon then surcharge the new Model 3/Y
buyer for that capability? Over $8K? More than $11k? I dunno ...
And what can he then get from the EAP owner who's OK with what
he has, i.e. highway FSD and city TACC/AS? Another $6k? maybe ...
As to those of us kicking ourselves for missing the $2k upgrade secret
sale, think of Elon probably kicking himself for not having gotten EVERY
ONE of the early adopters, the EAP buyers, to hand him another $2-$3k
in cash in February and made that 1st quarter look not quite as dismal.
Hey, Elon baby, there's still Q2, he says, dangling 30 Franklins times
probably 80,000.
Fernand
Active Member
So we'd end up with a $1000 monthly payment? which would be way
above the barely acceptable budget a lot of people sighed at but buckled.
I never liked being nickel and dimed down the garden path. Tell us up
front it's actually a $65k car, even with a single motor. At some point a
used Model S might have looked more sensible.
The sense of complete vulnerability is very disturbing. We don't have any
way to know what they will charge for what, at any point. The software
aspect has two sides. They could decide to make all the Beta stuff go
away unless you pay more, or scale the top speed to 50 MPH, there's
nothing you could really do in this context. It's like the iPhones that
started running slowly because Apple tweaked the software to push
people to update. It's too faith-dependent, especially in something as
vital as one's daily transportation machine. Once you stop being all
starry-eyed, there's a lot of disturbing potential in a one way relationship.
They guys who have enough money will tell us it's "just business",
stop whining. But in reality, business can't work unless there's trust in
the contractual infrastructure, and here it's mostly based on how you
feel about Elon and the company. So this yo-yo is bad for business.
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I know this maybe a bit early to guess but what are the chances Model 3 owner can upgrade straight from HW2.5 to HW3.5/HW4 later on with another type of “FSD”purchase? Perhaps after FSD there may even be another “Super FSD” ?
Fernand
Active Member
Well, we don't know. When I first heard Musk say
that a Tesla is an appreciating item, I was in a better
mood, so I heard it as a positive. But who the heck
knows how much it will cost for it to "appreciate".
There's been a tendency with Tesla to say B requires
A, but if they'd swap out a 2.5 board for a 4.0 one,
and if nothing else had changed, it's conceivable
it would be a straight upgrade. We'll find out.
Maybe look at what the older Model S owners have
had to do to get up to 3.0 hardware.
that a Tesla is an appreciating item, I was in a better
mood, so I heard it as a positive. But who the heck
knows how much it will cost for it to "appreciate".
There's been a tendency with Tesla to say B requires
A, but if they'd swap out a 2.5 board for a 4.0 one,
and if nothing else had changed, it's conceivable
it would be a straight upgrade. We'll find out.
Maybe look at what the older Model S owners have
had to do to get up to 3.0 hardware.
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diamond.g
Active Member
It is a catch 22 with Tesla. They really should stop listening to what we want, because we are fickle. As far as I can tell, every pricing change has been because "someone" has complained that something was too expensive, or that they have lost value in their vehicle, or that it isn't fair others got something for a cheaper price.
Others nickel and dime their customers (GM with OnStar, BMW with Carplay subscription) and you don't see nearly the complaints that we get here (or on facebook).
