The same wiki states, 3.5 to 4 percent of all climate change emissions are caused by shipping, primarily carbon dioxide. The discrepancy is because,'Of total global air emissions, shipping accounts for 18 to 30 percent of the nitrogen oxide and 9 percent of the sulphur oxides'.
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So, are we all agreed that we should support not only tariffs but across the board import taxes in the US and other countries, in order to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and for other social benefits of buying local? (Inviting argument)
Shipping is the most efficient form of transportation.
Road transportation is responsible for the vast majority of transportation emissions.
If we can't succeed with road transportation, shipping and aviation won't matter.
If we can succeed with road transportation, it will have implications for other modes, constrained by energy density.
We're already seeing the marginal adoption of electrified transportation and that's only likely to grow.
EVNow
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The other part is that shipping uses bottom of the barrel horrible oil - not gasoline or even diesel. I'd think even converting ships to LNG would be a good start.
EVNow
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I actually prefer regulation to taxes. "Market based" solutions don't work, when it comes to environment.
Agreed, one implication of local energy production will be eliminating all the shipping of fossil fuel. Only Tesla will really move the needle.
JRP3
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The problem is that makes products which require imported materials, (such as batteries and EV's), more expensive, thus delaying their adoption.
JRP3
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Upcoming Semi demo for Albertsons/Safeway Tesla Semi test drive, demo event reportedly planned for Safeway workers next week
JRP3
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On the economy of crew in large merchant vessels:
This is the Luther Little
who, along with sister ship Hesper, was launched in 1917 as the last of the four-masted schooners for hauling lumber and coal. Each was slightly over 200 feet long and for each, for voyages from New England to France, the full complement of crew was.....nine!
And here are she and Hesper as I knew them growing up. This was their ignominious fate: run aground and abandoned in the 1930s in Wiscasset, Maine.
Seeing the so-called "Wiscasset Schooners" was a ritual of my boyhood - Dad had spent his early years nearby and we would go there each summer. Once or twice we scrambled aboard Hesper, in the background in the above photo.
After Dad died and I took Jenny here as part of our full-circle solace trip, I cried and cried to discover the schooners gone - and learned they finally presented too much of a hazard and were dismantled in 1998.
This is the Luther Little
And here are she and Hesper as I knew them growing up. This was their ignominious fate: run aground and abandoned in the 1930s in Wiscasset, Maine.
Seeing the so-called "Wiscasset Schooners" was a ritual of my boyhood - Dad had spent his early years nearby and we would go there each summer. Once or twice we scrambled aboard Hesper, in the background in the above photo.
After Dad died and I took Jenny here as part of our full-circle solace trip, I cried and cried to discover the schooners gone - and learned they finally presented too much of a hazard and were dismantled in 1998.
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dc_h
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I was wondering if a truck will use the X platform, or be built on an entirely new larger platform. The X platform would be big enough for a Honda Ridgeline size truck, but maybe not a Silverado or F150. This would save on development costs, but a new larger platform could be used to also build a Yukon, Escalade, Navigator class SUV with 500 mile range. Selling 25,000 Escalade class SUV's could give Tesla a significant share on the most lucrative market segments. Some people might not like Tesla in this ultralux segment of behemoth SUV's, but it would likely be the safest consumer vehicle on the market and 25,000 of them at 150-200k a pop, is a lot of cash flow. I'm not sure what design and development resources they have, everything comes down to opportunity costs. The Semi, Y, Roadster and Pickup must be a pretty big load on the design and development teams.Certainly a topic worthy of GENERAL Discussion (get it?) MAJOR Debate on Military trucks? CAPTAIN Obvious front'n'center? lol
Cheers!
Artful Dodger
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Sounds like the pickup truck will be based on the semi (scaled down of course), which reuses some Model 3 components. I don't think there's much hey could use from the X platform. Wrong motor, older inverter tech, 18650 based bty pack.
I think even the Roadster will use some of this Gen 3 tech.
Cheers!
dc_h
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As a rule (literally) open biomes and economic systems are subject to more rapid change and innovation. Closed biomes and economic systems lose the value of DNA or conceptual dialog. Closed systems are subject to entropy and decline. There may be issues with free trade, but those are issues that an enlightened democracy or leadership can manage. Closed systems, or systems that limit trade generally are systems in decline. Fuel consumption of ships trading goods seems pretty big, until you work out the value of goods on that ship. A million gallons of fuel to ship 2000 Model X Tesla's is about 1 million in fuel to ship 200 million worth of cars. Love to see electric ships sending those Tesla's, but it is not as important as those 2000 Tesla's replacing 2000 combustion cars. Free trade will likely lead to more efficient ships and electric ships sooner than restrictive trade policies.
sorry if offtrack, but exports are 40% ++ of Tesla sales, so I think open trade is important to Tesla.
dc_h
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Not parts, but the chassis is what I meant by platform. It's common in the industry to use different chassis' for very different cars.
Who says nostalgia isn't what it used to be?
Artful Dodger
"Neko no me"
The X chasis is integrated with the unibody. Also, the bty pack is a structural member. There's little use in trying to recycle any of its design.
Typically, full-size pickup trucks use a body-on-frame design rather than a unibody. Telsa wants to compete with the F-150 and GMC Sierra, not the Honda Ridgeline.
Cheers!
Artful Dodger
"Neko no me"
Yeah, damn rights! And a boatload of 6,000 Teslas will replace 30,000 ICE cars once FSD is available.
This is absolutely ON TOPIC for General Discussion! THANKS!
Wow, I stand corrected, thanks for the eye opener brother. I had a similar disheartening experience when visiting Alviso in the San Fransisco far South Bay sloughs. This was the heartland of the original idealistic self-sufficiency multihull movement on the west coast, but by the time I stopped by, about fifteen years ago, it was a ghost town, a wharram swamped in the overgrown former marina, with reeds growing out the hatches. Two story murals on buildings of original Pivers, just a memory.
I must admit, my resentment of ICE goes far beyond climate change, I resent the vulgarization of cultures worldwide. Also a reason I oppose globalism I have never had an engine on my boats. What I wouldn't give to take down big oil, hence my major investment in tesla.
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