My thought with super chargers was... Ultimately, when public charging is equally rapid, everywhere, competitive pricing and just as easy to use - which is the goal - then what's so special about them anymore. I'll side step the edge case of free super charging.
My view was to make all DC chargers as good as Tesla super chargers, just plug in and it works. But other payment options will be needed, such as for hire cars.
There will be many business drivers who need a solution that gives the same benefits of a fuel card. Also, there won't just be cars charging, so we need to think about motorbikes, vans, etc. I do like that thought is going into accessibility.
My hope was they also have a long term vision, especially when defining the data fields.
Octopus are really leading the way, great stuff.I got an email from Octopus energy yesterday and have now applied for their new "electric juice" card. They currently have about 4 or 5 networks online (with more to follow apparently) and you just use your octopus card at their chargers and get billed straight to your home electric bill.
Certainly a move in the right direction I reckon!
Lot's of failed charging, lots of different apps with different logins or cards to apply for. She now only ever charges off of her solar at home and it's really put het off driving it on longer journies.
Surely mandating contactless means that you can use a generic “fob” on every charger and it magically just debits your account? Also solves your “roaming” and “privacy” issues.
Still seems to me to be the best option. Personally I don’t see why I should need a fob in the first place.
As much as I love the relative reliability of the supercharger network I don’t think it’s feasible for public chargers to have the same level of reliability. Mainly from a software point of view. A supercharger has to handshake with roughly three different cars. Probably two as I believe the charging on an S and X are pretty much the same. Both from the same manufacturer. As apple have shown with the iPhone it’s much easier to have reliability and consistency with electronic equipment if the hardware and the software is manufactured by the same company.I suspect a Supercharger experience is indeed what we should aim for.
In the meantime, I’m not convinced that a contactless terminal adds that huge amount of complexity. Connectivity is a given, even for fobs as the chargers needs to validate the account and bill it so that’s no different.
Granted, I am not an industry insider but when you can go to the local church and there’s a contactless pad for donations it would suggest that the technology has now advanced to the point of it being trivial to implement.
I resent registering with companies. Your analogy is perfect, I don’t need to register with Shell to go to their forecourt so I don’t see why I should need to do that with any of the electrical car charging providers. I agree with you wholeheartedly: the current system is broken beyond belief, to the point of being almost unusable.
I think you're right but technology advancements far outstrips the speed standards can be updated.But surely that’s why standards exist? It shouldn’t really be a big deal for any car to handshake with any charger and request any charge rate provided both meet defined standards (and I believe these have been out for some time now)?
Mind you, I CANNOT get the older Ecotricity PoS chargers to handshake with my M3 on CCS rapid mode, so I suspect the tricky thing is to ensure standards are adhered to.
Another role for legislation?
It’s quite exciting being in the early days of a brand new industry for sure, albeit infuriating in equal measure