Health Care (out of Main)

[ZachShahan]

So ... hard ... to ... not ... comment ... on ... political & health care & social theory & Elon Musk & Tesla comms & other off-topic topics!

I'll jut say that health care is quite likely going to tip our family in favor of living in Poland over Florida. That and some broader quality of life benefits regarding community, public life, and public infrastructure.

Though, we have a couple more years to decide.

 

[Tslynk67]

Come on guys, take the healthcare discussion to another thread or somewhere where the light doesn't shine.

But before you do that, I'd just like to comment that the Belgian healthcare system strikes me as the best I'm aware of. I pay €100 a year for the basic insurance, which covers the whole family. If I want to visit a GP, I book with whichever I want, usually same day, you normally pay around €25 and you'll get €10 refunded by the insurance - we then get 85% of the remainder refunded by my wife's cover through her work, but even without that, it's cheap.

I had a Heart CT scan, a full one, two weeks lead-time (I didn't search around for a quicker appointment, as it wasn't urgent, it was just for fun), cost €9!! Last week I had a colonoscopy (will save you the detailed) without anaesthetic/sedation, one week to book it (again I could have got quicker, but no rush), €110, which will be refunded - this was in a specialist gastro centre too.

And it's universal healthcare here. If you've no money, you'll still get the treatment you need without having to pay. Yes, taxes are high in the country, but in healthcare, at least, there's no issues at all.

 

[Dynastar]

Man it must be a slow news day. "Guys, please stop talking about health care right after I get in a last word on the subject."

 

[pnungesser]

Come on guys, take the healthcare discussion to another thread or somewhere where the light doesn't shine.

But before you do that, I'd just like to comment that the Belgian healthcare system strikes me as the best I'm aware of. I pay €100 a year for the basic insurance, which covers the whole family. If I want to visit a GP, I book with whichever I want, usually same day, you normally pay around €25 and you'll get €10 refunded by the insurance - we then get 85% of the remainder refunded by my wife's cover through her work, but even without that, it's cheap.

I had a Heart CT scan, a full one, two weeks lead-time (I didn't search around for a quicker appointment, as it wasn't urgent, it was just for fun), cost €9!! Last week I had a colonoscopy (will save you the detailed) without anaesthetic/sedation, one week to book it (again I could have got quicker, but no rush), €110, which will be refunded - this was in a specialist gastro centre too.

And it's universal healthcare here. If you've no money, you'll still get the treatment you need without having to pay. Yes, taxes are high in the country, but in healthcare, at least, there's no issues at all.

Was the colonoscopy just for fun too?

 

[madodel]

Was the colonoscopy just for fun too?

And without sedation. They could have at least got you drunk before shafting you. The sedation is the only fun part of the procedure.

 

[Zhelko Dimic]

In Canada they wait 6-12 months for a back MRI and another year for surgery. That is two years of potentially debilitating pain and possible permanent nerve injury. Wealthy Canadians come to the US all the time for timely health care. As a surgeon in the U.S., I can safely say that people that want that type of system have no clue what they are talking about.

I am Canadian, and that's BS

 

[heltok]

From Sweden, spent half a year at hospitals with my dad through cancer. Lived in and used healthcare in Asia extensively. Lived in America for a while. Imo private health care in Asia >>> socialized health care in Europe > insurance needed overly regulated super expensive healthcare in USA.

Imo if you ever get sick and have a lot of money go to Singapore or Bumrungrad in Thailand. If you have less money go to second best hospital in Thailand(Samitivej). If you have no money go through endless waiting times in Europe. If you have to live in America for a long while, get insurance system up and running and get fleeced.

Private and unregulated in Asia wins hands down to endless waiting times and no checkup until it’s too late in Europe. American system is so messed up if you just visit or change states randomly like I did.

When my gallbladder had to be removed my option was to wait one year in Sweden and risk emergency surgery and likely suffer several very uncomfortable attacks, so I choose to go to Thailand and pay to have it done there. Excellent doctors and the system is silky smooth. 10/10 would recommend!

 

[neroden]

Why stay here? There's a great big world out there.

They don't want Americans unless the Americans are going to either (a) have a job in a specialty they have shortages of, or (b) start a business and employ a lot of locals. Investors are not a desired category in most countries.

Plus, I am bad with languages, which restricts my options substantially. Most places want you to learn the language, too.

 

[BornToFly]

I am Canadian, and that's BS

No it isn't. I'm a spine surgeon and regularly talk to surgeons from other countries. This is what they tell me. On top of that, I recently inherited a local that was skiing in Canada and broke his back. He had an incomplete spinal cord injury. He never got an MRI before or after his surgery in Canada, which was also poorly done. Not getting an MRI with a spine fracture and neurological injury is shocking. In the US, you would be sued for malpractice and probably lose your license. The patient continues to have issue because he received 3rd world care at a major medical center in Canada. I called the surgeon in Canada to find out what in the hell they were doing. I was pissed. After talking to the other doctor, I realized that his hands are tied. So if I ever get hurt in Canada, you can bet your ass I'm getting airlifted back to the US for treatment!

 

[JRP3]

Anecdotal, and you can find plenty of medical horror stories happening here in the US.

 

[Webeevdrivers]

No it isn't. I'm a spine surgeon and regularly talk to surgeons from other countries. This is what they tell me. On top of that, I recently inherited a local that was skiing in Canada and broke his back. He had an incomplete spinal cord injury. He never got an MRI before or after his surgery in Canada, which was also poorly done. Not getting an MRI with a spine fracture and neurological injury is shocking. In the US, you would be sued for malpractice and probably lose your license. The patient continues to have issue because he received 3rd world care at a major medical center in Canada. I called the surgeon in Canada to find out what in the hell they were doing. I was pissed. After talking to the other doctor, I realized that his hands are tied. So if I ever get hurt in Canada, you can bet your ass I'm getting airlifted back to the US for treatment!

Yah. It is. But just keep shoveling it.

 

[brian45011]

Translation: "go away and shut up".

Hate on this country to your heart's content. No one from here will have your back in the future.

 

[JRP3]

Hate on this country to your heart's content. No one from here will have your back in the future.

We aren't allowed to disagree or question policy? That's not the country in which I live.

 

[JHerbY2K]

Libertarians are otherwise intelligent people who never properly learned how to share as children.

 

[ggr]

Mod: officially off the rails. Thread locked. --ggr.