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I’m sorry Maverick, but a “need for speed” is not a medically acceptable diagnosis.
I don’t think you can order those anymore?Lets talk about the logical choice here. Stealth performance harhar.
Pretty much how I reasoned getting a LR over a Performance. The speed is amazing and feels much faster than 4.2 (I’ve seen tests say it’s closer to 4.0) and the acceleration boost puts it pretty close to a Performance while the range overall is better.It's the wheels and tires on the Performance that reduce it's range vs the LR, that's going to be especially true at highway speeds. Unless you are taking the car to the track there is absolutely no reason to buy a Performance instead of a LR. The wheels on the LR are more durable than the wheels on the Performance because there is more tire to absorb shock. A new LR will have a heat pump, a used M3 won't, that makes a big difference in winter range. The acceleration of the LR is neck snapping as it is, 0-60MPH in 4.2 seconds, if that's not good enough for you there is the Performance Boost option that you can get over the air which cuts the time by a further .5 seconds. The Performance version is for people who want the last drop of speed, for everyone else a LR is a better choice.
As for real range, that depends on how you drive. I drive with a gentle foot and make minimal use of HVAC system, my car doesn't have a heat pump so the effect of the heater is devastating, it cuts range by a third. In the winter I preheat the car before I leave home and rely on the seat heaters instead of the cabin heater if I can, when I do that I do nearly well as I do in summer. Now that it's spring I'm getting around 200-220Wh/mile even on trips that are half highway. It helps that traffic jams are back so the speed on our highways in Massachusetts is less than it is on back roads. Tezlab shows that I've averaged 116% of the expected efficiency over the last 6 months, over the last 3 months (i.e. the winter) my average was 85% efficiency and for the last year it was 98% efficiency. So it is possible to beat the EPA numbers if you drive conservatively. As for real range you have to take into account the fact that you normally never charge your car more that 90% and that you want to give yourself a comfortable margin at the low end so that you don't run out of juice. With a LR you can count on at least 200 miles (312 KM), if you drive like me 250 miles (402 KM), between charging stops. Superchargers are placed much closer together than that and unless you have a massive bladder you'll need to make rest stops more frequently than the car will need charging.
Damnit I was hoping you pick the P after that long thread lolI have gone through the same dilemma recently and ordered a LR. I am trading in a '19 2SS Camaro so I am already coming from a fast car but at the end of the day I couldn't justify extra $10k for the performance model.
If you don't care about the price difference between the two model, get the performance. You can get 18 wheels and different tires to gain back some range. You can turn a performance into a LR but you cannot turn a LR into a P. However if you get the Performance forget about getting the rated range because you will be flooring it every chance you get lol.
I have gone through the same dilemma recently and ordered a LR. I am trading in a '19 2SS Camaro so I am already coming from a fast car but at the end of the day I couldn't justify extra $10k for the performance model.
If you don't care about the price difference between the two model, get the performance. You can get 18 wheels and different tires to gain back some range. You can turn a performance into a LR but you cannot turn a LR into a P. However if you get the Performance forget about getting the rated range because you will be flooring it every chance you get lol.
Damnit I was hoping you pick the P after that long thread lol
This. I couldn't afford the P right now so I ordered an LR but I reasoning is that resale value holds so well that is I stumble on a pile of free cash that makes the P affordable to me, I would trade it in. Or if the pile of cash is large enough, transfer the LR to my wife an get a P hahaI was hoping so too lol but savings on LR outweighed extra fun from P. I guess I will use the savings for 4680 Model 3 Performance if Tesla decides to switch over to new batteries in the future.
Thank's a lot for the toughts.It's the wheels and tires on the Performance that reduce it's range vs the LR, that's going to be especially true at highway speeds. Unless you are taking the car to the track there is absolutely no reason to buy a Performance instead of a LR. The wheels on the LR are more durable than the wheels on the Performance because there is more tire to absorb shock. A new LR will have a heat pump, a used M3 won't, that makes a big difference in winter range. The acceleration of the LR is neck snapping as it is, 0-60MPH in 4.2 seconds, if that's not good enough for you there is the Performance Boost option that you can get over the air which cuts the time by a further .5 seconds. The Performance version is for people who want the last drop of speed, for everyone else a LR is a better choice.
As for real range, that depends on how you drive. I drive with a gentle foot and make minimal use of HVAC system, my car doesn't have a heat pump so the effect of the heater is devastating, it cuts range by a third. In the winter I preheat the car before I leave home and rely on the seat heaters instead of the cabin heater if I can, when I do that I do nearly well as I do in summer. Now that it's spring I'm getting around 200-220Wh/mile even on trips that are half highway. It helps that traffic jams are back so the speed on our highways in Massachusetts is less than it is on back roads. Tezlab shows that I've averaged 116% of the expected efficiency over the last 6 months, over the last 3 months (i.e. the winter) my average was 85% efficiency and for the last year it was 98% efficiency. So it is possible to beat the EPA numbers if you drive conservatively. As for real range you have to take into account the fact that you normally never charge your car more that 90% and that you want to give yourself a comfortable margin at the low end so that you don't run out of juice. With a LR you can count on at least 200 miles (312 KM), if you drive like me 250 miles (402 KM), between charging stops. Superchargers are placed much closer together than that and unless you have a massive bladder you'll need to make rest stops more frequently than the car will need charging.
You should take anything an SA from Tesla says with a shovel of salt. That being said the "614km" european models (LR) uses the same batteries as the late 2020 performance and I believe between now and Q4 this year all LR will transition to the new battery pack. The range difference looks minimal. WLTP seems to overestimate range a lot so 34 extra km is probably closer to 10 which is more like an actual 580km. (the EPA rating for the "old" packs is 570km).Thank's a lot for the toughts.
What I meant by LR (new) is the updated model for Q2, where as I understood from the guys at Tesla I talked to, they are using some parts developed for the Y model, to get that extra range. I am not sure if this is updated on the US site yet (displays 353 miles - EPA for LR), but on the DK site it says now 614km (380 miles) instead of 580km which was for the Q1 model - WLTP rating.
So in the comparison it was still between a new Performance, and a new LR, but with that additional range. In terms of speed, since I just tried the P, it is probably wise to try the LR as well and compare. My assumption is that both are sufficient for my needs.
For the range question/answer, again, my 'concern' is on the long-stretches on those 2k km journeys I was talking about. Is it unrealistic to expect a range of 400-450km at highway speeds (120-130km/h) with minimal to no use of AC during spring to autumn seasons?
As for the supercharger network, while it is decently developed in Europe, I don't think it's comparable with US, hence why I would find stopping every 300-350km for a recharge a bit cumbersome. Especially since I like to do those trips in one-go, and so would expect to take perhaps 4-5 stops instead of 6-7. It's not a deal breaker necessarily, but I would like to have realistic expectations before I go on with the buy.
This. I couldn't afford the P right now so I ordered an LR but I reasoning is that resale value holds so well that is I stumble on a pile of free cash that makes the P affordable to me, I would trade it in. Or if the pile of cash is large enough, transfer the LR to my wife an get a P haha
Nah. I would get a full equipped M3P, place an order on a roadster and rent the corvette for the track. I do like a LOT what they did with the latest model design wise. Looks badass IMO. I saw one around here not long ago. Ticket-red.If I stumble upon a pile of free cash I am getting a C8 Z06 Corvette. I don’t care how fast Tesla is, nothing beats the feeling of a pure race car lol.
Pretty much how I reasoned getting a LR over a Performance. The speed is amazing and feels much faster than 4.2 (I’ve seen tests say it’s closer to 4.0) and the acceleration boost puts it pretty close to a Performance while the range overall is better.