How do you tell if a car has FSD vs EAP?

[tesiono]

is there a way to know if a car has FSD vs EAP without having to ask Tesla with the VIN or rely on information from the seller/owner/dealership?

from what i know so far, if you look under Autopilot menu, it will show summon/navigate on autopilot if it has FSD/EAP but doesnt look like there is a way to tell the difference between the two? this method only rules out basic AP

thanks in advance

 

[XLR82XS]

Tap on vehicle equipment information in the software section of the menu. This will tell you your vehicles' hardware.

 

[Tam]

...has FSD vs EAP....

@XLR82XS shows the first step that indicates whether you have the FSD hardware or not.

The next step is whether FSD was activated or not.

You can go to Autopilot Menu and there should be a sliding switch to turn on / off "Full Self Driving Visualization Preview".

Prior to that sliding switch, there's no way to visually tell whether it's EAP or FSD.

That's the first user-recognizable diversion between EAP and FSD cars.

 

[Joshan]

Tesla Website also will tell you.

 

[JulienW]

If bought from a dealer it will have the FSD removed. If bought from an individual it will transfer.

 

[tesiono]

@XLR82XS shows the first step that indicates whether you have the FSD hardware or not.

The next step is whether FSD was activated or not.

You can go to Autopilot Menu and there should be a sliding switch to turn on / off "Full Self Driving Visualization Preview".

Prior to that sliding switch, there's no way to visually tell whether it's EAP or FSD.

That's the first user-recognizable diversion between EAP and FSD cars.

iirc, "Full Self Driving Visualization Preview" is on any HW3 car, whether you paid for FSD or not as its on the all HW3 cars even with basic AP

edit: i guess if it has both HW3 and this slider, it cant be EAP but if the owner didnt get their HW3 upgrade from HW2.5 yet even if purchased.. that makes it more complicated..

 

[tesiono]

If bought fro a dealer it will have the FSD removed. If bought from an individual it will transfer.

that is not true

Tap on vehicle equipment information in the software section of the menu. This will tell you your vehicles' hardware.

this only tells you if you have HW3 or not, even a car with basic AP can have HW3

 

[tesiono]

Tesla Website also will tell you.

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how do i access this page without buying the car first or better yet, if i could hack the system than i wouldnt have to ask this question?

 

[Knightshade]

Wow there's a ton of confusing/mis info in this thread....



Ok, so, EAP ceased being sold after Feb 2020.

There are 0 EAP-only cars with HW3 since HW3 didn't start being installed till later, and EAP-only owners don't get HW upgrades.


If it has HW2.5 it could be either and there's no way to tell on the car right now.


If buying from a private party original owner just ask to see a copy of their MVPA- it will include everything they paid for- including FSD if they bought it. Or if they bought it later ask for a copy of THAT receipt.

You can also watch them log into their Tesla account to get the shot you saw posted earlier (you can't get that yourself without access to their tesla account).... but I'd get a copy of the MVPA if possible.


If buying from a dealer or not-the-original-owner you really have no easy way to know if FSD was paid for on the vehicle or not unless it includes copies of the original paperwork like that.



Also-

The "fsd preview" is available on all HW3 cars regardless of having FSD or not.

FSD transfers with the car in all sales, other than if it's a used one FROM tesla- because only Tesla (if they take ownership after original sale) can remove it.

 

[Joshan]

The "fsd preview" is available on all HW3 cars regardless of having FSD or not.

I believe that as of 12.5 it is enabled in hw2.5 cars now also. I am hw3 so cannot verify but have seen that posted.

 

[tesiono]

Wow there's a ton of confusing/mis info in this thread....



Ok, so, EAP ceased being sold after Feb 2020.

There are 0 EAP-only cars with HW3 since HW3 didn't start being installed till later, and EAP-only owners don't get HW upgrades.


If it has HW2.5 it could be either and there's no way to tell on the car right now.


If buying from a private party original owner just ask to see a copy of their MVPA- it will include everything they paid for- including FSD if they bought it. Or if they bought it later ask for a copy of THAT receipt.

You can also watch them log into their Tesla account to get the shot you saw posted earlier (you can't get that yourself without access to their tesla account).... but I'd get a copy of the MVPA if possible.


If buying from a dealer or not-the-original-owner you really have no easy way to know if FSD was paid for on the vehicle or not unless it includes copies of the original paperwork like that.



Also-

The "fsd preview" is available on all HW3 cars regardless of having FSD or not.

FSD transfers with the car in all sales, other than if it's a used one FROM tesla- because only Tesla (if they take ownership after original sale) can remove it.

finally someone that knows what they are talking about but yeah that is all the info i know too.. i guess there really isnt a way to truly know from the car menu itself.. they should really add what options were paid for on said car in the menu somewhere..

 

[Knightshade]

I believe that as of 12.5 it is enabled in hw2.5 cars now also. I am hw3 so cannot verify but have seen that posted.

Orange cones, specifically, are the only "new" visualization for 2.5 cars....none of the new FSD-specific stuff (like lights, signs, etc) is displayed on HW2.5 cars.

 

[Joshan]

Thanks for the clarification Knightshade!

 

[Tam]

...HW2.5...

The last day to have the following options was 2/28/2019:

1) No Autopilot
2) EAP
3) FSD (must pay EAP also)

HW3 for Model 3 comes out around 4/12/2019

So, if your car has EAP, it must be purchased by the last day on 2/28/2019 and not later.

If your car has HW3, that means it could be:

1) purchased when HW3 came out around 4/12/2019 (whether FSD was paid or not)

or

2) the owner paid for FSD and has it upgraded to HW3 after 2/28/2019.

 

[Tam]

...i guess there really isnt a way to truly know from the car menu itself...

The paid feature should appear on a receipt. The prior owner should produce a receipt showing that the feature was paid.

 

[jjrandorin]

The paid feature should appear on a receipt. The prior owner should produce a receipt showing that the feature was paid.

This OPs original question was " able to tell without the seller / owner / dealership", though.

Issue is, as we go forward, there will be more and more teslas at places like carmax, vroom, Joes car shack, and BMW Of XXX and in none of those cases will someone be ale to see for 100% if the car has "FSD paid for" without the MVPA showing it.. and even then, there will be no "proof" the car did not pass through tesla at some point.

The one "hope" would be that tesla either gets better / faster at removing FSD from cars they own that they are going to do that with, OR they make a decision to leave it alone, OR they make a decision that ties FSD to a customer instead of partially to the car.

 

[TX_M3P+]

This OPs original question was " able to tell without the seller / owner / dealership", though.

Issue is, as we go forward, there will be more and more teslas at places like carmax, vroom, Joes car shack, and BMW Of XXX and in none of those cases will someone be ale to see for 100% if the car has "FSD paid for" without the MVPA showing it.. and even then, there will be no "proof" the car did not pass through tesla at some point.

The one "hope" would be that tesla either gets better / faster at removing FSD from cars they own that they are going to do that with, OR they make a decision to leave it alone, OR they make a decision that ties FSD to a customer instead of partially to the car.

Tesla only removes features from used cars to sell them at a lower price point, if that is what the buyer is wanting. They don't just strip all features off a car because they want to. It's an option that only Tesla has so that they can lower the price of the car if needed.

 

[Tam]

Tesla only removes features from used cars to sell them at a lower price point, if that is what the buyer is wanting. They don't just strip all features off a car because they want to. It's an option that only Tesla has so that they can lower the price of the car if needed.

I guess you didn't read the case when Tesla removed Enhanced Autopilot and Full Self Driving from a used car that was bought from a dealer "United Traders" who bought it from Tesla.

Tesla reportedly removing paid-for features after used-car sales

I think routinely, Tesla would strip away Enhanced Autopilot once it gets a hold of one in its inventory and unifies the feature into plain Autopilot.

That would be fine except they did that with a next used car owner who had both features enabled then disabled because Tesla said he didn't pay for them.

After the run of the press, Tesla restored the features back to the used car owner without asking for additional money.

Other used car owners are not that lucky. Some Ludicrous owners also complain that the feature was on then Tesla disabled it and wanted another payment on it.

Tesla is pushing its envelope on the software-enabled features and a next used car owner might have to pay the fee again. So far, it only seems only asking more money from EAP/FSD and Ludicrous used car owners but there's no stopping at only those 3. There are lots of software-enabled features that Tesla can ask the next used car owners to pay again.

 

[Knightshade]

I guess you didn't read the case when Tesla removed Enhanced Autopilot and Full Self Driving from a used car that was bought from a dealer "United Traders" who bought it from Tesla.

Tesla reportedly removing paid-for features after used-car sales

I think routinely, Tesla would strip away Enhanced Autopilot once it gets a hold of one in its inventory and unifies the feature into plain Autopilot.

That would be fine except they did that with a next used car owner who had both features enabled then disabled because Tesla said he didn't pay for them.

That's not QUITE what happened.


Tesla has crappy internal IT.

They removed it on the back end, while Tesla owned the car

Which is 100% kosher and legal.


Then almost immediately the car went to auction (but it hadn't had an update pushed TO THE CAR) and a dealer bought it. Nothing in the paperwork FROM tesla at the auction said EAP or FSD- but they were still "on" in the car since the update hadn't been pushed.

And dealer sold the car to a customer saying it had those features.

The update got pushed Monday after the car was sold (because again Tesla IT sucks and it takes days for 1 hand to talk to another).

The dealer, before delivering the car to the customer, SAW it was removed. But figured "Eh, just a glitch or something, customer can go to Tesla and get it back"

Customer did go to Tesla who said "Eh? Car doesn't have FSD. Wanna buy it?"


Indeed, then after bad press, they turned it back on anyway,


The fix of course is when Tesla removes it on the back end it should immediately push an update to the car.


But these are the IT guys who took HOW many years just add a "stop charging" time to the app, and it STILL doesn't exactly deliver than and doesn't quite work well?

 

[Tam]

...The fix of course is when Tesla removes it on the back end it should immediately push an update to the car...

When the car leaves Tesla's possession, there's got to be a quality department to make sure the customers won't get more than what they pay for.

If that means to require taking additional time for a firmware push/update, then do it until everything is matched physically in real life.

However, with a software-enabled era, there's a temptation to skip a real person quality department because if a new owner gets more than what they pay for, the IT department can remotely take it back over-the-air at any time (as long as there's no bad press!)

It sounds like it's a gamble for used-car owner to guess whether there's still a delay between the back end IT and the time they own it.