The Germans have a tendency to make everything overly complicated. Lots of features, but not easy to understand or use. I tried to park an A4 in my garage and you'd think I was trying dock the space shuttle or something. Their displays and controls are over the top. They could definitely take some lessons from Apple.
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ICE: Would you ever go back?
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Every square inch of space around the driver in this car is covered by a button. Why are there so many buttons? What do all these buttons even do? For God's sakes, I count 3, 3 of these little scroll wheels around me! One wheel controls the mirrors, one wheel moves the menu options on the infotainment system, and the last wheel controls audio volume. We need 3 scroll wheels? Really? Maybe I dunno wouldn't it have been less confusing for the driver to have 1 scroll wheel that does different things based on context? My God, it really is like the space shuttle inside this car.
Model X is a full-size SUV.
Delivery will get better. They are trying to scale from a company which sold 100,000 cars a year to one which may be selling 500,000 cars a year by 2020 and 1 million cars a year by 2025. If you think that's easy, then maybe you should pick up the phone and give Elon a call and offer your services.
Delivery will get better. They are trying to scale from a company which sold 100,000 cars a year to one which may be selling 500,000 cars a year by 2020 and 1 million cars a year by 2025. If you think that's easy, then maybe you should pick up the phone and give Elon a call and offer your services.
Model X lacks range in cold weather.
I don't think it's easy - fortunately that's not my problem. My responsibility was to deliver Tesla 75k. They were supposed to give me a car in New condition. I did my part. They didn't.
AustinPowers
Total Smeghead
Thanks for the heads up. Funny that this bit of news has escaped me. After all I visit TMC almost daily.
Great that Tesla finally realized that a fob was nothing evil after all.
Now there is hardly a reason left for me to want to go back to an ICE. Then again, it is not the ICE part I want to go back to anyway. It's the shape of my current E46 BMW 330 coupe I will miss, because even though the Model 3 looks good to my eyes, the E46 coupe is the most beautiful car to me ever. If the Model 3 tech was married to the E46 coupe body, this would be my perfect car of all times.
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⚡️ELECTROMAN⚡️
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Completly agree.. it's just rude.
evs will be the norm, and they are awesome but "fun" ICE cars will be in my stable for a long long while.
Kichwas
Member
I would only go back if forced to, such as suddenly being unable to afford an EV and having to buy some old car.
That said... I have yet to “sell” my wife on EVs. She’s barely been inside the M3. And she’s subject to that rule: the smaller the woman the bigger the car. So if the MY or pickup truck are “redneck sized”, my wife, who’s a short Asian woman; will want one. But if it’s still small enough to get through the cieling of the garage... her next car might be another ICE car... she’s been talking about liking pickup trucks...
As long as she needs a ladder to get inside the Tesla Pickup, we’ll be good to go. Even better if we need one of those fold out ladders to be able to get 10 feet up to the door...
That said... I have yet to “sell” my wife on EVs. She’s barely been inside the M3. And she’s subject to that rule: the smaller the woman the bigger the car. So if the MY or pickup truck are “redneck sized”, my wife, who’s a short Asian woman; will want one. But if it’s still small enough to get through the cieling of the garage... her next car might be another ICE car... she’s been talking about liking pickup trucks...
As long as she needs a ladder to get inside the Tesla Pickup, we’ll be good to go. Even better if we need one of those fold out ladders to be able to get 10 feet up to the door...
⚡️ELECTROMAN⚡️
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I don't think it's rude to disagree with someone's love of internal combustion engines. I also don't think it's rude to disagree with us for disagreeing. A lot of us just find the noise and pollution of an ICE, highly offensive. Especially if it's just for pleasure. I personally own four combustion engines and I'm not very happy about it.
leisurelee
Member
I do... but I didn't know they were still running the preorder spiel. So there is that. Hope you get your order soon!
Jonathantuba
Member
Look for a used model X - maybe a 60D, the least expensive. Not that they come up for sale often as the model X is a great car (to me the greatest!). I am not sure what problems you are nervous? Remember the few people that have problems moan, but the majority with none just enjoy their car.
I have a deposition for a Model 3 and already owns a Model S 100D. I think I will get priority over all non Tesla owners but even I have no idea on when I can order mine. Some rumours about a batch coming to Europe in Feb/Mar next year but they are probably going to the Netherlands and to Norway.
Zoltrix77
Member
There are still plenty of reasons to own an ICE car, but for daily use, the EV is definitely superior. Quiter, faster (generally in day to day terms), no maintenance, no gas stations etc. Its how 90% of all future vehicles will be.
But I'm a motorsport guy, EV's just don't do that for me. Much like horse riding and push bikes are still "a thing" for some people. People who don't have motorport in the their veins will never get it.
The other problems with EV's on long distances is the charging, I get that 30-40 minutes while eating doesn't waste time, but I am totally limited as to where I can stop, with a Gasoline car I can stop for 5-10 minutes, fuel up, and then eat anywhere off the beaten track, stop in the park etc and not think about the best place to charge. This will improve in the future, its miles away from even close to good unless you like stopping at the exact same charging station every time.
Can't imagine truck drivers would want anything other than the Tesla Semi however.
But I'm a motorsport guy, EV's just don't do that for me. Much like horse riding and push bikes are still "a thing" for some people. People who don't have motorport in the their veins will never get it.
The other problems with EV's on long distances is the charging, I get that 30-40 minutes while eating doesn't waste time, but I am totally limited as to where I can stop, with a Gasoline car I can stop for 5-10 minutes, fuel up, and then eat anywhere off the beaten track, stop in the park etc and not think about the best place to charge. This will improve in the future, its miles away from even close to good unless you like stopping at the exact same charging station every time.
Can't imagine truck drivers would want anything other than the Tesla Semi however.
Well, I was a kid once. Oh, scratch that. I'm _still_ a kid in many ways. Ferrari is a childhood dream and I got to test drive some sports cars a few years ago. Porsche 991.1 Turbo S, Porsche 991.1 GTS, Porsche Cayman GTS, Lamborghini Gallardo, Aston Martin Vantage, Ferrari 458 Italia, Nissan GT-R... Most of those cars was a bit underwhelming. But the Ferrari was so cool. The noise it made was amazing. I don't care for engine and exhaust noices anymore since I became a Tesla driver but the Ferrari is the exception to the rule. Not even the V10 in the Lambo was anything I cared for and the Turbo S which does 0-100 km/h in 2,9 seconds sounded like a big vacuum cleaner.
So, give me a red Ferrari and I'll be happy. I won't drive it much though and it won't hurt the planet much.
IQ and knowledge isn't the same thing. You can be very smart and still know very little. Trump actually thinks coal and oil is the future...
I agree with what you say and for us the charging stops isn't a problem although I aknowledge that for others it can be. Depends on where you live, where you typically drive, how often you go on long drives etc.
Kichwas
Member
Yeah she really liked it when she saw it. But then she saw the price and that was the end of that.
I suspect I will get her to EVs once either the MY, pickup, or VW EV bus comes out. But again price will be the determining factor.
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That's why countries with average low IQs have so much innovation. and brands. and EVs.
