I think the kicker for me here is they're also adding this cost on all used Teslas as well. Their argument and rationale for tacking on the new 12k FSD price tag to used inventory is mind numbing.
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Increased Car Prices and $12k FSD...Just Insanity!
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But it is new software... So what if the car is used. Other than you'll get less use out of the FSD since the car will die sooner. They should pro-rate it based on the age of the car if used. 
ZenRockGarden
Active Member
Tesla has a line over half a year long for the Model Y.... by definition, the price is not "wrong".
Daniel in SD
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Uhmmm. I think that means the price is wrong, it's too low.
The price of FSD on the other hand may or may not be wrong, it all depends on the take rate vs. price and whether or not there is some liability to selling the feature.
Or improve vehicle quality…
Or work on better customer service…
Or even communicate with existing customers…
The take rate for FSD has dropped precipitously and is now at an all-time low, according to this article:
Survey Reveals Tesla's Full Self-Driving Take Rate Is Declining
A new survey, conducted by Troy Teslike, among over 17,000 Tesla car owners, reveals the take rate of Tesla's Full Self-Driving Capability (FSD).
insideevs.com
Daniel in SD
(supervised)
What would the take rate be at $6k?The take rate for FSD has dropped precipitously and is now at an all-time low, according to this article:
Survey Reveals Tesla's Full Self-Driving Take Rate Is Declining
A new survey, conducted by Troy Teslike, among over 17,000 Tesla car owners, reveals the take rate of Tesla's Full Self-Driving Capability (FSD).
You also have to consider that if Tesla actually delivers robotaxis this year even $12k is horrible deal for them. They'll be able to get way more from people with a monthly fee in the future.
I do wonder if they would make more money offering enhanced autopilot again though.
Knightshade
Well-Known Member
They have the highest vehicles satisfaction among owners of any brand on the market, from multiple consumer survey sources.
Tesla Is Number One In Consumer Reports' 2020 Owner Satisfaction Survey
This is now Tesla’s fourth consecutive year as CR’s owner satisfaction king.
insideevs.com
JD Power-
Tesla Model 3, Kia Niro top J.D. Power EV satisfaction survey again
Model 3 owners were more satisfied with their vehicle than those of any other premium brand. The same was true for Niro EV owners among mass-market models.
www.autonews.com
Seems like the customers are pretty happy with the vehicles and service- otherwise how do you explain that?
The take rate for FSD has dropped precipitously and is now at an all-time low, according to this article:
Survey Reveals Tesla's Full Self-Driving Take Rate Is Declining
A new survey, conducted by Troy Teslike, among over 17,000 Tesla car owners, reveals the take rate of Tesla's Full Self-Driving Capability (FSD).
yes it's all the way down to....*checks your source* same place it was in Q2 2018.
Notice how it spiked for Q2 2019? That was quarter of the big changeover/fire sale... and also just before the last halving of the federal EV tax credit for Tesla.
Then it steadily dropped again after Q4 2019 when the credit went away entirely, and was mostly flat throughout 2020.
It DID drop again Q1/Q2 of 2021.
Guess what was different then?
The S and X were not for sale. Which have always had a much higher take rate on FSD, since it's such a smaller % of the total price of the vehicle.
You can see this super clear in the second chart- where he breaks out by model... the S/X take rate is over 60% and has been roughly flat there since, again, start of 2020.
Weirdly he lists low 60% take rate in Q1 and Q2 2021 for S/X- despite the fact Tesla wasn't actually selling them. I guess he got a couple of leftover 2020s sold off the lot included or something?
Anyway, last factor, which your source does note- is that since Shanghai came online, a much larger % of total sales have been outside the US-- where FSD take rate has always been much lower than in the US.
So those are interesting numbers- but don't tell quite the simple tale you seem to suggest.
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If you have Tesla Insurance, they cover FSD!! If you total a car with FSD, they reimburse you how much you paid for FSD. Wylddddd
If you’ll recall my post was in response to a message pointing out that demand still exceeds supply, and my point, which you apparently missed, was that there’s no incentive for Tesla to improve on its historically poor QC and customer service as long as this is true.
But I gather you’re asking for a reason why sales and satisfaction are so high if the quality and QC are so poor? Both of these things are true, but it seems odd that they are. After all, if a traditional manufacturer like VW had the same QC and customer service issues at Tesla, it would really affect their sales.
The answer is that with VW, you’re just buying a car. With a Tesla, you’re buying membership into an exclusive club: you’re an EV adopter. You’re helping save the planet. You’re supporting the development of autonomous vehicles. And, of course, you’re demonstrating your moral superiority to the masses still driving ICE vehicles. (Yes, I know not all Tesla owners fit into the latter category, but so many seem to…)
Given these considerations, things like QC, poor service, and no communication with customers are mere incidentals.
Mind you, I do the exact same thing. I’ve bought two Model Ss, and I knew when I bought my second one what I was getting into. So I’m not throwing stones, but I’m not wearing blinders, either.
Well, to be fair, it was the article suggesting the tale, not me. Still, try to think of another example where the price on a product that’s been pre-sold for years, only exists in beta— and doesn’t work too well— and has a history of years of broken promises (and not just scheduling: remember when Elon promised that everyone who paid for FSD would automatically be enrolled in the beta?) GOES UP…again and again…
Ormond
Endless Peacock
Is your OLED TV available? How much are you asking?
Haha.
On a more serious note I omitted an important piece of info. The reason I wouldn't consider selling it is that it's going down in price.
I don't buy things to have them go up in price because then I'd have to sell them.
If they go down in price then I can keep them until something way better comes along at a similar price or less. I buy things with the expectation that I'll consume from them for X years, and then either sell them or give them away.
Like I got the 77" OLED when I gave my 65" OLED to my brother for a Christmas present. Now I wasn't being a nice brother, I only gave it to him so I could justify getting myself the 77" OLED.
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Wasn’t it Elon who said the price of tech inevitably goes down over time?
(I tried looking this up, but searching for a specific Elon quote made more than a year ago is useless…)
Just for the record, some of us did buy FSD for a total of 5k. See flowchart:
cleantechnica.com
Tesla Autopilot & Full Self-Driving Prices Rising On Monday — Buy Now To Beat The Price Increase - CleanTechnica
News broke overnight that it isn't just car prices that are going up Monday, March 18th, but the prices for Autopilot and Full Self-Driving are also going up. As you can see, the pricing of these features has become a bit of a mess.
cleantechnica.com
Knightshade
Well-Known Member
Just for the record, some of us did buy FSD for a total of 5k. See flowchart:
Tesla Autopilot & Full Self-Driving Prices Rising On Monday — Buy Now To Beat The Price Increase - CleanTechnica
News broke overnight that it isn't just car prices that are going up Monday, March 18th, but the prices for Autopilot and Full Self-Driving are also going up. As you can see, the pricing of these features has become a bit of a mess.
Yup, that was the brief "mistake" sale where they screwed all the early adopters who were promised the price would always be higher if they didn't buy at time of vehicle delivery by selling it cheaper to everyone who had waited instead.
Didn't last long, but great deal for those who were able to jump on it.
EVNow
Well-Known Member
That was no mistake - just very tough near death experience for Tesla when if Tim Apple had taken the meeting, may be Tesla would now be an Apple subsidiary.
Knightshade
Well-Known Member
No, it was 100% a mistake, and Elon explicitly said in retrospect the lower price should not have been offered.
Also, that Tim Cook story never happened- the book claiming it did had quite a few less than accurate claims.
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Elon Musk and Apple deny wild story that he tried to replace Tim Cook
Musk and Apple say Musk and Cook have never spoken.
www.theverge.com
COS Blue
Member
Elon said that your car will appreciate in value due to having FSD. So I'm sure that means if you trade in your M3, Tesla will give you $12k for the FSD that you bought. But you might want to hold onto it, because it's going to be worth $100k-$200k some day. You can add it to the robotaxi fleet.
Elon Musk: Tesla cars should be worth $100k to $200k with Full Self-Driving package
Elon Musk doubles down on his claim that Tesla cars are now “appreciating assets” and says that they should be...
electrek.co
Like I even believe the robotaxi thing will happen in my Model 3's lifetime. lolElon said that your car will appreciate in value due to having FSD. So I'm sure that means if you trade in your M3, Tesla will give you $12k for the FSD that you bought. But you might want to hold onto it, because it's going to be worth $100k-$200k some day. You can add it to the robotaxi fleet.
Elon Musk: Tesla cars should be worth $100k to $200k with Full Self-Driving package
Elon Musk doubles down on his claim that Tesla cars are now “appreciating assets” and says that they should be...
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