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On a recent road trip, I met a guy with a BMW i4 at an EA charger. We were comparing notes on our cars. I asked him if he knew what phantom braking was. He was like, "well I've heard of the concept I guess." I told him about my experience with PB while using TACC and he said "Oh I just turn...

I tried the 4-finger reboot a couple of times and it did not help. Then I got mobile service to come out and replace the switch assemblies (includes scroll wheels and the buttons surrounding them). My service guy said that they've had issues in dry climates due to static electricity, and he...

I had the same problem on my MS yesterday / today, running 2023.6.8. Reboot seems to have fixed it, fingers crossed.

Here's what was sold in 2016 for FSD. But I read it again and it does not say "We promise." Also from Tesla's blog post in 2016... but again, they did not pinky swear: So, yeah, I guess if you actually believed any of that, it's on you. Source: Tesla announces all production cars now have...

Well the article did not only deal with FSD, even though FSD is in the title. Disabling radar affects autopilot (TACC) as well as FSD. If the strategy is to ruin Autopilot (TACC) because it makes FSD better (which I'm skeptical of), that's not a good strategy. I find it hard to believe that a...

It blows my mind all the people defending the removal of radar, saying this was just a hit-piece, etc. Since the removal of radar, I cannot even use cruise control if the sun is in front of me, lower than the roofline. It just says it's lowering the speed due to "poor visibility", even though...

2021 MS LR (Raven)

I have my car set to alert me if I'm going more than 10mph over the speed limit. The other day it was chiming at me to warn me, and even this chime was the victim of the audio loss! Half-way through the chime, it paused for half a second, then continued with the rest of the chime. So lame!

Well, I can no longer say that I don't experience PB when there is a car in front of me. Had my worst PB event yet yesterday afternoon, driving home from a ski trip. I was in a line of cars on CO Hwy 9. My daughter was having a pleasant nap and I had TACC engaged. Bam! Hard braking while...

Yes.

That, in a nutshell, is my general overall complaint with TACC. It tries to do so much, that it cannot consistently get the basics correct. Most of the time, yes. To me, that's not good enough.

My expectations are simply that the car doesn't stab the breaks at unexpected times. Yes, when it happens, i apply the throttle and take over. Nothing else I can do. By then my passengers (and myself) have already been freaked out and annoyed. I suspect we are just having different levels of...

Yes, this matches my experience. PB mostly (perhaps always) happens when there is no one else near me, or at least not in front of me. I believe your assessment is spot on.

Not sure if that's a serious question or not. I live in Colorado Springs. Majority of PB events have been outside of town. I 25, US 24 west of town, I 70 west of Denver. TACC slowing down below speed limit due to low sun in town.

Autopilot, specifically TACC, increases the stress of driving for me on a somewhat regular basis. It has hit the brakes hard for no reason (phantom braking) on rural 2-lane highways. It has also done it on the Interstate. Curvy ones, straight ones. There is no situation where I fully trust it...

Has anyone ever taken you up on it?

My S doesn't seem to recognize the hand signals I make to it every time it 🤬 me off...

What an embarrassment.

It really makes the car a lot less fun to drive. Every time it happens I get mad at Tesla. And it happens like every drive.

I actually agree with both of you. TBH the problem would go away if they just wouldn't release stupid updates. Like taking my buttons off my bottom row, and disabling radar, and messing with my voice commands, and breaking my music player. I realize it's subjective to say what's a stupid...

But it shouldn't matter. I should not be forced to install non-safety-related updates (such as the one that took my seat heater controls, etc, off my bottom row, or the one that made it so that you can't listen to music without random gaps, or the one that disabled radar). If it is a...

I think that's what recalls are for. Nobody can force you to take your car in (or push the update button) for a recall, but they officially notify you, and I believe you're not allowed to sell your car if there's an open recall against it [or at least a dealer is not allowed to]. So I think...

Indeed. I'm smart enough not to trust the system. Sadly not everyone is. Can't think of why they would get the idea that Autopilot won't automatically pilot the car, or that Full Self Driving won't fully self drive. Something to keep in mind when holding AP/FSD blameless because "it was...

The NHTSA investigation includes crashes from 2018-2021. The investigation itself was opened in 2021. I guess 3.5 years of having this problem is ok, as long as they fixed it after that. And of course we have no reason at all to suspect that the recent accident involved AP. I'm sure it's...

No, I'm the reality group. I'm in the group that sees all the disclaimers, etc., and I also see that it is called "Autopilot" and "Full Self Driving," and I also read the news and see that no less than 16 times Teslas have slammed into emergency vehicles while using Autopilot. Tesla and its...

There are numerous reports of Teslas on Autopilot crashing into emergency vehicles. Thus my conclusion that the code is buggy. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tesla-cars-crashes-emergency-vehicles/

Your original statement was that the car(s) did not intentionally hit the emergency vehicles, which of course is correct. My obvious conclusion is that the vehicles slammed into emergency vehicles because the code (FSD and/or Autopilot) was buggy. And I contend it is grossly incompetent to...

Well that's a relief. It was just gross incompetence.

That's fair. So for some, it made things better. For some, it made things worse. For others, it made no difference. Different people will conclude different things. But to me it reminds me of whack-a-mole. One thing gets fixed, another problem gets introduced. What that says to me is that...

Wow I have the opposite problem. Driving up a mildly curvy mountain pass using TACC (I don't have FSD), it slows down way too much. I have to turn off TACC when driving on such roads to avoid driving annoying slowly.

On the contrary. We can conclude that it works fine for some, and not fine for others. Thus overall it is a net degradation.

I get significantly more startling phantom braking events since my radar has been disabled. I can no longer drive toward the sun if it's low in the sky since radar was disabled. So, like, the car drives worse than it did before radar was disabled.

No, it does not. The only features I can think of that have been added to my car are (1) Adding stops to navigation and (2) Tidal. They are definitely improvements, but far from mind-blowing. Did they not reduce the option for "1" following distance when they disabled radar? And put a limit...

It blows my mind that anybody thinks it's acceptable for Tesla to arbitrarily remove functionality from our cars, temporarily or not.

Never heard of Eberhard until today, but he's right. Tesla has done a fantastic job of making EVs that are practical, efficient, fast, beautiful, and fun to drive. From a software perspective, including Autopilot, they are a constant disappointment. I don't have FSD and I never will. They...

Sure, but Tesla has other ways to force you: https://electrek.co/2020/02/14/tesla-force-software-updates-owners-resisting-them/

Here's what it does say:

I'm not sure that's a positive thing. My updated TACC is demonstrably worse than it was when I bought the car. Do you think any other car company would remotely disable radar whether you wanted them to or not? I don't.

"Useless" is too generous. Wait til you get a few phantom braking episodes, or wait til the car starts slowing down to under the speed limit because the sun is in its eyes.

TACC also no longer works correctly if the sun is low in the sky, or if there's glare. It just starts slowing the car down. Thanks, Tesla Vision!

I don't have any crackling but I'm getting sporadic pauses in the music from all sources. Picture the kids in the back seat singing along to Taylor Swift and then the timing between their singing and the music is all off because Tesla can't manage to keep an audio player working correctly...

Recently (this winter) I started noticing, when driving between Breckenridge and Colorado Springs, using TACC, the car would phantom brake way more often than it used to. Not slamming on the brakes, but enough to freak out the passengers and myself. We do the drive pretty frequently and it...

Ok sure I'll bite. It sucks compared to just having cruise control. Best cruise control system I ever used was on my 2008 BMW 3-series. You set that thing at 54mph and it would stay at 54mph. Not over, not under. Straight road, twisty road, flat, uphill, downhill, didn't matter. I loved...

No, not really. I'm disappointed (not mad) because Autopilot sucks, as does other basic automation in the Tesla (auto wipers, auto high-beams). It has major limitations and often just doesn't operate in a way that is reasonable or helpful. Sometimes it is very helpful, and sometimes it's just...

Tesla didn't do particularly well in a 2019 study by AAA. None of the tested cars aced it, but I don't think you could say Tesla was at the top. https://insideevs.com/news/377427/video-tesla-model-3-failed-aaa-test/

LOL. You know full well that: Autopilot is the full suite of features, of which Autosteer is one and TACC is another TACC is what brakes due to cross-traffic, not Autosteer The warning in your helpfully attached pictures is specifically about Autosteer, which is not what brakes for...

LOL, yes, you have explained more than once that TACC is not intended for use where cross traffic exists. Your explanation is as inaccurate as it always has been. Says the Owner's Manual: "is primarily intended" does not mean "is only intended." But regardless, even if what you said were...

Yes, I believe I have experienced the same. Cross-traffic ahead... and after the car has cleared the road, then the Tesla brakes. Not confidence inspiring. Stats about reaction time aren't very comforting when it not only brakes for stuff it shouldn't (the car was far enough in front that I...

One can own a product and even love said product even though there is plenty to complain about. The "stop complaining and buy a Nissan Leaf" argument is just lazy. If you don't want to read complaints, maybe skip the thread titled "The catastrophe of FSD and erosion of trust in Tesla." (Oh...

Yep, exactly what happened to me, except in my case it was the shadow of an overpass. Slammed on the brakes at 80mph on the Interstate. Yes, I consider that a problem. Just one example of many many times the car has hit the brakes for no valid reason. It's embarrassing to me when I have...