mattack4000
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Is that available for purchase now?
Go search online, there are dealers that have them. You might have to travel to get it if you want to be special and drive a limited Kona.
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Is that available for purchase now?
Sounds like a pain. Can't I just order it online?Go search online, there are dealers that have them. You might have to travel to get it if you want to be special and drive a limited Kona.
Sounds like a pain. Can't I just order it online?
Can't they just drive the car to my house like Tesla did?I am sure you can, at some point you have to go pick up the car and sign the paper right
Can't they just drive the car to my house like Tesla did?
I didn't have to pay extra for it. Tesla did that for free.You can do anything if you are willing to pay
You can do anything if you are willing to pay
you really had to spell it out for him/her, lolI didn't have to pay extra for it. Tesla did that for free.
This is a very good point. Chevy has already said they are not profitable selling the Bolt. I wonder if Nissan makes a profit on the Leaf.That's because it's damn hard to make a profit off of an EV. Therefore unless you happen to live in one of these states, the car is practically nonexistent.
I didn't have to pay extra for it. Tesla did that for free.
Some people also prefer cars with engines. Different strokes for different folks.So they can recognize the sale before it is delivered? Call me old fashion, I prefer to go look at the car in person and write down any problems
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I do think that they will make a profit on most of the SRs that they sell because if the customer chooses even a couple of options like the new cheaper $3,000 AP, or the $2500 slight upgrade to the cabin, or overpriced Tesla paint then they will probably push Tesla over to where they turn a small profit... hard to say whether it will be truly profitable when you account for warranty costs, etc., over the life of the car... but what it will do is keep the factory going, keep parts orders going and all of that results in a cheaper and cheaper car for Tesla to build.
The real question for Tesla I think is where the cash is going to come from for a Model Y line and pickup line if they don't post a profit this quarter and barely eke one out in Q2. Guess we'll see. Elon is definitely refusing to go back to the well. By comparison Amazon didn't make a nickel for well over a decade and was lavishly showered with investment cash... so clearly there's a double standard at work.
@MXWing, where you been? Missed you.
Anyway, yes I was a bit surprised by the news yesterday. If I'm being honest, the $35K version seems to be the one to buy. I can drive on my own so I don't need the alphabet soup PUP EAP FUD TKO WTF or whatever it all is. I still hate the screen but I get why it is the way it is.
The real story here is Elon telling the world they can only sell this car profitably by completely gutting the sales and marketing teams. I was up late last night with a bad cough and read a few things, did some thinking on it.
As one who railed Tesla hardest on where the hell the $35K car is, this does not look like maybe the best move right now. I'll just say this, there are a lot of people who will look at this as a desperation move. I don't know if it is, but it can sure be colored that way. The very fact they are saying you can order the base car today and get it in 2-4 weeks means there really wasn't anything left of their Day One reservation list. Also, weren't they supposed to be focusing on EU and China cars for the next few weeks, and selling from inventory here? When are they going to build these SR cars?
I'm interested in your take, someone elsewhere here last night indicated the weight on the MR car was close enough to the SR cars to indicate merely a software limited battery for the base car. If so, that's going to eat into their (admittedly high) margins. The rest came from seats and audio? I dunno.
I personally also think closing the stores is a bad idea. Elon really wants to commoditize automobiles and I just don't think the world is ready for that. Cars are a huge, emotional purchase and saying there are no test drives will not play with a lot of people. They can trot out the 82% online purchase rate all they want but I still think even today the Model 3 is still solidly in fan / early adopter mode. And folks telling me to just Turo a test drive seem to forget that traditional test drives are free. Last year they invited owners to be at delivery events to tout the cars and help new buyers, now they are saying they don't need anyone for that? Seems weird.
I also question the thinking they can address most service issues with ranger service. There's a lot of threads here about service issues and I just don't see how anyone can afford to service a couple hundred thousand cars buy sending techs individually out into the field. And saying most service in an hour is just not realistic, most people with even a little experience in this area can see right through that. With the critical tech shortage we have now, where are these guys going to come from?
I'm quite interested in how the markets respond today and what industry types are saying about it in the moment. One way or the other this is a turning point in Telsa's history. As always I'm curious of your thoughts.
Car looks nice though.
I've seen several posts that the rear seating in the Kona is too cramped for taller people. Have you actually been in one? It sounds smaller than a Leaf in back. This is not a problem in the Model 3.The Model 3 is also quite small, especially the boot/trunk area and the tiny little door.
How much experience do you have with EAP?
When Tesla is committed to building and selling 400K-500K cars per year, you can’t have lines be idle. Sell cars at all cost. Even at no profit to keep your workers employed and equipment working.
China and EU can also only absorb so many premium cars. Not enough and fast enough in a way to make for happy quarters. Wall Street looks at quarters and not at decades so Tesla was best served going private.
They can build those SR cars NOW and timed as such that no more cars are going to make it to overseas now to count for Q1.
5000-7000 cars a week production is a lot. Tesla delivered 40 Model 3s in July 2017. Their ability to mass produced cars has arrived. Not an alarm to get the SR car quickly.
1.) They have to survive long enough to get the Model Y out. That’s like the final Pokémon form that kills everyone. Just survive somehow. Make cars, sell them, show market growth.
2.) What isn’t being said is traditional auto is screwed. With incentives, you can be pretty much out the door 35K Model 3 in garage. You are soooo dead trying to palm off your A3, 3 Series, C series etc. There is value to “market disruption”.
Those buying a 35K Model 3 I think if given the option to buy it online or not at all would go with the former. I hate seeing prescence diminish, I hate people losing jobs, but rent and salary isn’t free. Something has to give. Also, while Tesla has done dumb things and will continue to do so, we have to believe they are rational actors working in their own best interest.
I don't have the numbers on me but I really recall reading the Tesla electric vehicles have FAR LESS parts than a ICE vehicle.
Tesla might lose a bit on the short run - BUT when going up against a 35K Model 3.
Toyota
Chevrolet
BMW
Audi
Mercedes
should be scared *sugar* less.
Why do you think it's hard to make a profit building an electric car?It's silly to even compare the Model 3 to acknowledged compliance cars. The manufacturer has no real intent to provide the car to everyone who wants it and instead sells them in states where they can get a bit of $$ back for making a green car. That's because it's damn hard to make a profit off of an EV. Therefore unless you happen to live in one of these states, the car is practically nonexistent.
you really had to spell it out for him/her, lol
Why do you think it's hard to make a profit building an electric car?
An electric car has far fewer parts and they charge more than for a standard ice car.
No not jesting at all. It takes far far fewer parts to make an electric car.Um... Evidence with Tesla should suggest that it is.
Not to mention pretty much every other OEM that has an EV has stated more or less the same thing.
Development isn't free.
Seriously I hope this post wasn't made in jest.
Why do you think it's hard to make a profit building an electric car?
An electric car has far fewer parts and they charge more than for a standard ice car.