Israel/Hamas conflict

[wdolson]

Unless it’s not over...I’m not sure what Iran’s ‘strong message’ has achieved....except for their terrorist proxies to wonder if their chief backer is a paper tiger. If a mass attack with their best weapons from the mother country couldn’t achieve anything except to solidify the west behind Israel...they must be wondering how effective their casts offs are going to be.
Perhaps a better thought in the minds of the terrorist leadership would be...if attacking Israel is ineffective, perhaps we should march into Tehran and put a hardline leadership in place

It also showed that some Arab states would side with Israel against Iran if Iran was the aggressor. Jordan had a valid reason to contribute since I believe their air space was violated. Saudi Arabia had no reason to participate except to send a message.

 

[Tam]

Unless it’s not over...I’m not sure what Iran’s ‘strong message’ has achieved....except for their terrorist proxies to wonder if their chief backer is a paper tiger. If a mass attack with their best weapons from the mother country couldn’t achieve anything except to solidify the west behind Israel...they must be wondering how effective their casts offs are going to be.
Perhaps a better thought in the minds of the terrorist leadership would be...if attacking Israel is ineffective, perhaps we should march into Tehran and put a hardline leadership in place

Iran seems to practice an eye for a scratch.

When Trump killed Iranian major general Qasem Soleimani, Iran retaliated but resulted in no fatalities and called it done.

This looks very much like the last time too.

The remaining question is since it is just a slight scratch on the skin, will Israel escalate further.

 

[indysurfer]

Iran seems to practice an eye for a scratch.

Only if you totally absolve Iran's involvement with Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis who have killed and/or displaced thousands of Israelis.

 

[jabloomf1230]

This so-called attack by Iran was designed only to test Israel's defenses and provide information on how to conduct future attacks more effectively. Secondarily, it was designed to appease hardliners in the Iranian government and military.

 

[Jigglypuff]

Iran has taken credit for 10/7. Iran has directly attacked Israel. Israel will work with the US to make Iran pay.

 

[Jigglypuff]

Also Twitter is garbage. Nothing written there can be trusted unless vetted and nobody vets Twitter posts.

 

[Tam]

Only is you totally absolve Iran's involvement with Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis who have killed and/or displaced thousands of Israelis.

That was the death toll on the 10/7/2023 attack.

Israel didn't describe it as a skin scratch.

On the other hand, 2 Iranian generals were killed in the Iranian embassy strike.

In this retaliation from Iran, how many Israeli generals did it kill?

 

[Bouba]

That was the death toll on the 10/7/2023 attack.

Israel didn't describe it as a skin scratch.

On the other hand, 2 Iranian generals were killed in the Iranian embassy strike.

In this retaliation from Iran, how many Israeli generals did it kill?

Amazing how many people always think that dead Jews are a price worth paying

 

[indysurfer]

Amazing how many people always think that dead Jews are a price worth paying

As well as seemingly crediting Islamists when they fail to drive up the death count as if it was intended.

Each (of the tens of thousands) of rockets, missiles and drones fired into Israel from Iran, Gaza, Lebanon and Yemen had the goal of killing Israelis.

 

[Jigglypuff]

If you want twitter...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1779501171649994936

 

[Jigglypuff]

What Iran accomplished: https://www.timesofisrael.com/young...attack-remains-in-life-threatening-condition/

 

[Bouba]

By some strange fate not of its own making, Israel could find itself in a very strong bargaining position....Western backing of Israel over Gaza dried up long ago...even Biden is worried about repercussions from the youth vote...but what the West fears the very most is an all out war with Iran....so Israel could hold back on retaliating in return for a bit more concrete as well as public support from the civilized world

 

[Jigglypuff]

the civilized world

 

[Tam]

What Iran accomplished: https://www.timesofisrael.com/young...attack-remains-in-life-threatening-condition/

Iran's accomplishment now gains a vow from Israel:

"Israel’s war cabinet has been authorized to respond to the attack and met on Sunday, with one of its members, Benny Gantz, saying the “event is not over.”"

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/14/middleeast/israel-iran-attack-response-intl/index.html

 

[Tam]

By some strange fate not of its own making,...

The direct attack from Iran didn't come from fate. It's the retaliation for its 2 dead general in the embassy. It's not fate. It's retaliation.

The question is will Israel follow its vow to "exact a price" because Iran doesn't have an Iron Dome air defense system.

 

[iPlug]

A matter of perspective some would argue. Killing Iranian generals at an embassy is usually an international no-no, but so is when the same country most proximally facilitated the death of ~1200 Israelis and over 200 hostages taken. It is thus some who would call the embassy incident justice and that it was Iran who paid a small price for their genocidal transgressions.

 

[iPlug]

Sadly, Israel has plenty more just cause for retribution against Iran. Here's another:

A high court in Argentina ruled on Thursday that Iran was the mastermind of the 1994 bombing of a Jewish community center in Buenos Aires that killed 85 people, potentially paving the way for relatives of victims to make claims against the country in international tribunals.​

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While Argentine investigators have long believed that Iranian operatives and high-ranking officials played key roles in the attacks, the decision this week by Argentina’s second-highest tribunal goes further by holding the Iranian state itself responsible.​

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The ruling also characterized Iran as a terrorist state at a moment when tensions are running particularly high between Iran and Israel...​

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/12/...ytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

 

[Tam]

Sadly, Israel has plenty more just cause for retribution against Iran...

From Iran's enemies view, it's a slam dunk:

Iran has been under international weapon sanctions, and its weapon technology is quite outdated. Although it has many drones/missiles, they are useless when destroyed by the modern Israeli Iron Dome air defense technology. If Israel does "an eye for an eye," a missile/drone for a missile/drone retaliation, Iran's air defense will be in lots of trouble because of Iran's outdated technology.


Its tanks are ancient. Its jets are from the Shah dynasty, which ended in 1979. Some are from Russia in the 1990s...

 

[Jigglypuff]

An old bomb can kill a Bedouin girl as easily as a new one.

 

[Tam]

An old bomb can kill a Bedouin girl as easily as a new one.

Yes. That's an offensive operation from Iran.

Because of its old offensive technology, Iran got a failure rate of 99%:

Iran fires some 300 drones, missiles at Israel in first-ever direct attack; 99% downed

Iran announced that its attack as “The matter can be deemed concluded,” (the same way after the retaliation against Trump killing Iran's general).

Now, if the table is turned around when Israel sends back the exact numbers of missiles to Iran, Iran needs defensive weapons: an Iron Dome for automatic drone/missile targeting, helper jets from outsiders to shoot the missiles down the way the US jets did for Israel.

Without updated technology for Iran's air defense, Iran's casualties will be very high in a drone/missile attack from Israel.