How many time has this sentiment been posted here one way or another? If there was one message I long to get through to Elon this would be it.
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I've loved Tesla for 7 years. But after years of abuse, I'm out
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How many time has this sentiment been posted here one way or another? If there was one message I long to get through to Elon this would be it.
Elon has heard the message. Elon don't care.
He's reaching for his paydays (just hit one) and everything else gets thrown aside... until it affects his payday he won't change his mind.
He's reaching for his paydays (just hit one) and everything else gets thrown aside... until it affects his payday he won't change his mind.
Everything is just inconsistent. I feel lucky in that my local service center seems really great. They just went out of their way to try to take care of my car (busted MCU1 and I'm trying for MCU2/HW3). We will see what happens but this is the kind of service that leads me to brag about Tesla. Then I experience the frustration of being misled as an early HW2 buyer and the delay in getting my FSD in the first place (I paid over 3.5 years ago now). Watching newer customers enjoy features I paid so long ago for left a pretty substantial bitter taste but these guys are helping a lot.
In balance I'll keep my cybertruck reservation but my endorsements of Tesla have a lot of devastating caveats. And I still get asked a ton about Teslas. People are still hesitant and Tesla has a lot to prove. I want them to succeed but they must be held to account when they fall short of reasonable expectations.
In balance I'll keep my cybertruck reservation but my endorsements of Tesla have a lot of devastating caveats. And I still get asked a ton about Teslas. People are still hesitant and Tesla has a lot to prove. I want them to succeed but they must be held to account when they fall short of reasonable expectations.
Elon sabotaged himself on that with is stock price overvaluation tweet. I don't believe Elon is monetarily driven. Money is just a means to an end (Mars). I do think he is willing to do immoral things to achieve his goals, including deceit and deception, but I don't believe the stock target is his end game.
I wish his means to that end didn't involve dismantling Tesla's ability to maintain a customer base, but you're right. "P100D loaners for everyone every time" was always a lie but I never expected just the "loaners" part to become a lie too.
On page 16 I do not argue that Tesla does a perfect job every time. Nor will I suggest that those who prefer to talk with the same person every time, or at least a person, might be unhappy. OTOH, those of us who find doing everything through the app find less to complain abut.
Having dealt with Tesla since 2014 Model S days I understand the sybaritic attentiveness has diminished.
However, I have been around a while and do have other experiences:
BMW M3 with two transmission failures within first six weeks. Never quite qualified as a LemonZero apology, no loaner. After three months of constant problems I traded it for...
Jaguar XK-8 had wheel failure driving out of dealership (not our problem, road hazard, ka ching! $1500. A week later the windshield cracked. That they did under warranty, no loaned, three weeks waiting.
Mercedes S class- engine failure at 40,000 miles with cracked block. Under warranty but waited a month.
Porsche 964- repeated problems with FWD, never a loaner but always in warranty. I hive them a partial pass because AWD was brand new at the time. My 993, though had a steering rod failure while driving. They did fix it quickly but refused warranty so $1800. Only later I found out taht was a common failure.
I could go on with Ferrari, Maserati, Audi and others.
In my >50 cars most have been fine, including other exotics. However, none have ever been as trouble free nor have I ever been as well treated as with Tesla. My personal total charges for repairs in 80,000 miles of Tesla's. 0 zero nada.
I have and complaints also, but I think most of our complaints are usually because we have been spoiled. I know I have!
Having dealt with Tesla since 2014 Model S days I understand the sybaritic attentiveness has diminished.
However, I have been around a while and do have other experiences:
BMW M3 with two transmission failures within first six weeks. Never quite qualified as a LemonZero apology, no loaner. After three months of constant problems I traded it for...
Jaguar XK-8 had wheel failure driving out of dealership (not our problem, road hazard, ka ching! $1500. A week later the windshield cracked. That they did under warranty, no loaned, three weeks waiting.
Mercedes S class- engine failure at 40,000 miles with cracked block. Under warranty but waited a month.
Porsche 964- repeated problems with FWD, never a loaner but always in warranty. I hive them a partial pass because AWD was brand new at the time. My 993, though had a steering rod failure while driving. They did fix it quickly but refused warranty so $1800. Only later I found out taht was a common failure.
I could go on with Ferrari, Maserati, Audi and others.
In my >50 cars most have been fine, including other exotics. However, none have ever been as trouble free nor have I ever been as well treated as with Tesla. My personal total charges for repairs in 80,000 miles of Tesla's. 0 zero nada.
I have and complaints also, but I think most of our complaints are usually because we have been spoiled. I know I have!
Sounds like he was shorting his own stock, or he's gonna get the pants sued off for manipulating the market.
Sadly lately this describes Tesla perfectly. Some get lucky and don't understand why the others complain and some go through hell with their cars. Everything is a gamble with Tesla, you may get a good car or not, you may get good service or complete lies and get the car back worse than it was before... it's not how a car company should be, that's for sure.
Even sadder is that over the past year and a half I've been watching them, I see only decline and no improvement whatsoever in the areas they would need it most.
True. I have issues with corporate Tesla and I think their whimsical style played out in my favor on this MCU2 upgrade but I easily see it biting people just as easily. This might be my last interaction with service (I hope!), so I'd love to end on a high note.
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Luck of the draw I guess. I had a W211 E500 4matic wagon that gave me zero troubles up to 190K miles when the LR air shock went. Sold the car for 5K - dealer wanted 3K to repair the shock. Some people deal with nightmare ownership of W211 and other Mercedes products but I got lucky.
20+ years and 20+ different types of vehicles owned and the most solid, reliable, and strong cars I've owned were: 1997 Honda Accord sedan, 2016 Toyota Camry & 2002 Porsche 911 Turbo. Leaving the Teslas out of the mix for now until they chalk up some years and tons of mileage.
There is no doubt about it. Until very recently the single thing to worry about was buying a car that was among the first out. In my experience the same thing applies to boats and airplanes. Woe betide the first of a type. I never learned that lesson.
I thought I had enough Tesla problems to cure me of the Model S: my 2015 Model S was a handful after the warranty expired at 7,600 miles. I was informed both rear air shocks had to be replaced, along with the steering box. You don't want to know how much... Tesla would not even respond to my letters, so I thought about turning to the NHTSA. Instead, I ordered and canceled a number of 2020 Model S, ate the lost multiple $100. deposits, then decided it was not worth the risk and bought a new flagship 2020 Lexus LS 500 F Sport last Saturday. After owning the Lexus for one day, I realized the salesman BS about the safety aspects of lane-keeping capability was just that...BS.
Compared to the Tesla Model S, even my 2015 version, the 2020 LS 500 F Sport lane-keeping capability is a joke. The lane maintaining features of the new Lexus is as bad as a 4-year-old Volvo. Simply neither can be trusted. It meanders slowly from one road lane-marking to the other, like the Volvo. An observant state trooper would be fully justified in pulling you over to check your mental status. Compared to the Tesla, I just don't trust what else is on the market. Am I wrong? You need to be really ready to grab the wheel at all times, but nothing like a Tesla, which does a really good job, and with FSD has potentially better trustworthiness. And that is the reason I am seriously going to sell the new Lexus and seek out a new Tesla. (I should check if you change your mind about a new Lexus you can return it like a new Tesla.) I appreciated the potential accident avoidance the Tesla Model S provides. I really get it. I even bought TSLA stock. As owners, you all probably know this.
So I am determined to get rid of the Lexus and find a low mileage 2020 Model S. I found a Model S Performance with very low miles but learned it had been repaired by Tesla before it was first sold new...right rear fender damage, with no detail on the extent of the repairs. I learned from another case that damage to the left rear fender can hide a very costly repair, enough that insurance will total the car. There are some very costly components hidden by fenders.
Does anyone out there know if given a 2020 Tesla model S VIN # can I find out what Tesla Motors Inc. clearly knows, the abuse that the car has had, and if it can possibly compromise the future warranty of the 2020 car. I have read that Tesla MAY PERHAPS not tolerate what they consider abuse under warranty, perhaps even if the owner is merely demonstrating the acceleration of the car. Can any of you share insight into this? The 2020 I am interested in is at a used car dealer, and they initially told me it had no accident history. and CarFax confirmed that. But when I pushed one of the sales staff at the used car dealer they mentioned that the Model S Performance Model was not what the first owner expected, so he got rid of it, then the second owner sold it, and it still has less than 2000 miles on it in 6 months since new. That salesman also admitted that it has had work done in the right rear, but fixed by Tesla Motors while it was still at Tesla. Before it was even sold to the first owner. It caused me to raise up my CAUTION-ANTENNA.
Tesla Motors Inc. we all know can look at all instances of abusing the car with their 2-way communication to each car, can even review the minute details in an accident, speed, external camera views of an accident, views of the Tesla driver's face before and during an accident. So they must have the ability to create an extremely detailed history of any car's abuse and misuse. Will Tesla share this information with anyone, a potential new owner, any police agency, the courts, attorneys in a lawsuit? Are we even aware of this risk to the warranty byTesla? Is there any law requiring a manufacturer to reveal the accident history while still under their control?
The selling used car dealer had no written records of the 2020 Model S, not even the original list of options. It had been in 2 states owner's hands before ending up in a 3rd used car dealer's hands. They verbally stated it has every option except Full-Self Driving. How do we know if it's history compromises warranty for the rest of the warranty period? If a Performance Model S with Ludicrous + is used at the drag strip, does that compromise the factory warranty? PLEASE, anyone with input would be most welcome to respond.
Compared to the Tesla Model S, even my 2015 version, the 2020 LS 500 F Sport lane-keeping capability is a joke. The lane maintaining features of the new Lexus is as bad as a 4-year-old Volvo. Simply neither can be trusted. It meanders slowly from one road lane-marking to the other, like the Volvo. An observant state trooper would be fully justified in pulling you over to check your mental status. Compared to the Tesla, I just don't trust what else is on the market. Am I wrong? You need to be really ready to grab the wheel at all times, but nothing like a Tesla, which does a really good job, and with FSD has potentially better trustworthiness. And that is the reason I am seriously going to sell the new Lexus and seek out a new Tesla. (I should check if you change your mind about a new Lexus you can return it like a new Tesla.) I appreciated the potential accident avoidance the Tesla Model S provides. I really get it. I even bought TSLA stock. As owners, you all probably know this.
So I am determined to get rid of the Lexus and find a low mileage 2020 Model S. I found a Model S Performance with very low miles but learned it had been repaired by Tesla before it was first sold new...right rear fender damage, with no detail on the extent of the repairs. I learned from another case that damage to the left rear fender can hide a very costly repair, enough that insurance will total the car. There are some very costly components hidden by fenders.
Does anyone out there know if given a 2020 Tesla model S VIN # can I find out what Tesla Motors Inc. clearly knows, the abuse that the car has had, and if it can possibly compromise the future warranty of the 2020 car. I have read that Tesla MAY PERHAPS not tolerate what they consider abuse under warranty, perhaps even if the owner is merely demonstrating the acceleration of the car. Can any of you share insight into this? The 2020 I am interested in is at a used car dealer, and they initially told me it had no accident history. and CarFax confirmed that. But when I pushed one of the sales staff at the used car dealer they mentioned that the Model S Performance Model was not what the first owner expected, so he got rid of it, then the second owner sold it, and it still has less than 2000 miles on it in 6 months since new. That salesman also admitted that it has had work done in the right rear, but fixed by Tesla Motors while it was still at Tesla. Before it was even sold to the first owner. It caused me to raise up my CAUTION-ANTENNA.
Tesla Motors Inc. we all know can look at all instances of abusing the car with their 2-way communication to each car, can even review the minute details in an accident, speed, external camera views of an accident, views of the Tesla driver's face before and during an accident. So they must have the ability to create an extremely detailed history of any car's abuse and misuse. Will Tesla share this information with anyone, a potential new owner, any police agency, the courts, attorneys in a lawsuit? Are we even aware of this risk to the warranty byTesla? Is there any law requiring a manufacturer to reveal the accident history while still under their control?
The selling used car dealer had no written records of the 2020 Model S, not even the original list of options. It had been in 2 states owner's hands before ending up in a 3rd used car dealer's hands. They verbally stated it has every option except Full-Self Driving. How do we know if it's history compromises warranty for the rest of the warranty period? If a Performance Model S with Ludicrous + is used at the drag strip, does that compromise the factory warranty? PLEASE, anyone with input would be most welcome to respond.
Use one of those VIN record sites. If there is a rebuild title on it Tesla doesn't warranty anything. If it's a clean title it should be in warranty. I would be worried the repair wasn't done by a Tesla certified shop, if that is the case they might deny warranty of whatever was damaged.
AMPd
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Just an FYI Tesla doesn’t actually have FSD (Full Self Driving) they have certain features of it but I think it’s important to start distinguishing between reality and teslas marketing hype. FSD is an option you can pay for today and receive in the future, not something you have now.
I’m gonna be like @Ostrichsak and his mission of correcting people who incorrectly assume teslas used cars are “cpo’s”
You couldn't be more right, once FSD become full reality most of us will also lose our jobs (including healthcare and law enforcement), as AI will then be capable of complex decision making.
tpedwards
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A car is either in warranty or if it’s not. If it was salvage rebuilt, Tesla already knows about it and has voided any warranty (and disabled fast charging of any kind).
One way to find out if a car still has warranty? Call them. I did that for my first Model S I bought from a used car lot in December 2016. They verified that it was CPO and still had 25,000 miles remaining on the CPO warranty. It had 16,000 on the odo when CPO and 41,000 when I bought it.
If they don’t have a history of the car, build your own.
Hardly. Even true FSD is essentially a rule based system .. there is no reasoning required. Everyone should understand that current AI is essentially fuzzy mimicry .. very useful in its way but far below the cognitive levels of any human.
The AI field has existed for decades, and historically always over-promised and under-delivered. So probably the only thing it can emulate today with 100% accuracy is Elon Musk
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AMPd
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Yep! And many of them are only interested in short term gains it seems.
Bad customer service and penny pinching is great for now, but once teslas reputation goes down the drain their stock price will follow.
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