beeeerock
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Criminals should be happy... all three rear seat positions are equally comfortable - no need to fight to avoid that dreaded middle seat with the drive shaft hump... Dr. Evil's Mini Me could go in the rear facing seat...
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Criminals should be happy... all three rear seat positions are equally comfortable - no need to fight to avoid that dreaded middle seat with the drive shaft hump... Dr. Evil's Mini Me could go in the rear facing seat...
There is NO WAY that any police department is going to buy any car that costs even a fraction more than what a Crown Vic costs today.
$36,600 for the Chevy Caprice police car
$33,500 for the new Ford Interceptor
$24,000 for the old Crown Victoria
YES WAY.
Fleet operators look at Total Cost of Ownership including fueling and maintenance not just the striking price on the car itself.
I wonder how the Amsterdam Tesla Taxis are holding up as fleet vehiclesObviously, the city of LA is a gigantic exception, since the mayor said that's what they'll do (and presumably, he has the authority to pay whatever price is required).
But, any other town? Just watch the squeal from the opposition when any mayor / county commissioner says that their police / sheriff will spend TWICE or THREE times as much for an Obamamobile. The total cost of ownership won't mean a darn thing. That's not how politics works, and Police / Sheriff is big time politics. The middle of the US won't sign off on this for 20 years, even if it was half the cost (it's not).
Plus, the Model S is no Crown Vic replacement. I doubt it will handle real abuse that police will dish out, like driving over curbs without bottoming out / breaking wheels / breaking suspension parts. All the old police cars had steel wheels, lots of tire sidewall (no way on 21" tires), etc. There will be a LOT of modifications to any police car as "dainty" as a Model S.
The pluses that I foresee:
1) Yes, total cost of ownership, provided the cars survive hard core police duty. After 100,000 miles, the car will be ready for replacement (the average for a police car). In that time, at 20mpg, with $3/gal gasoline is only $15,000 in gasoline for the traditional police car. Let's throw another $5000 for any future price increases or lower mpg, so $20,000 in gasoline. I'll pick the most expensive police car, at $36,600, which makes $56,600 in total costs. We will just assume that repairs, maintenance and outfitting is the same cost for both.
Electricity isn't free, so figure 2.5 miles per kWh "from the wall" @ 12 cents per kWh = $4800 in electricity. I can tell you that electricity in California is WELL ABOVE the national average of 12 cents. So, the Tesla can cost about $72,000 to be close to equivalent. Of course, this assumes that the value at the end of the period is similar, and its entirely likely that the Tesla will be worth far more than a Crown Vic with 100,000 police miles.
2) Easy green wash campaign with EV cop cars. Expect the "suits" and executives of police work to be driving these cars, anyway. Light duty stuff, not pounding curbs and grabbing perps.
3) Warm fuzzies in California with a car built in California. I can foresee some kind of incentive plan from Sacramento that pays cash for government owned cars built in California.
I suspect that they will want "special" police / city owned Superchargers throughout the region, and an HPWC at 80 amps in every overnight parking stall and service bay.
A Model S bumper cover that cost $1300 in 2012 now cost $300.
We shall see where Tesla is in 2017-18 when the LAPD is done with their evaluation.
Obviously, the city of LA is a gigantic exception, since the mayor said that's what they'll do (and presumably, he has the authority to pay whatever price is required).
But, any other town? Just watch the squeal from the opposition when any mayor / county commissioner says that their police / sheriff will spend TWICE or THREE times as much for an Obamamobile. The total cost of ownership won't mean a darn thing. That's not how politics works, and Police / Sheriff is big time politics. The middle of the US won't sign off on this for 20 years, even if it was half the cost (it's not).
Plus, the Model S is no Crown Vic replacement. I doubt it will handle real abuse that police will dish out, like driving over curbs without bottoming out / breaking wheels / breaking suspension parts. All the old police cars had steel wheels, lots of tire sidewall (no way on 21" tires), etc. There will be a LOT of modifications to any police car as "dainty" as a Model S.
The pluses that I foresee:
1) Yes, total cost of ownership, provided the cars survive hard core police duty. After 100,000 miles, the car will be ready for replacement (the average for a police car). In that time, at 20mpg, with $3/gal gasoline is only $15,000 in gasoline for the traditional police car. Let's throw another $5000 for any future price increases or lower mpg, so $20,000 in gasoline. I'll pick the most expensive police car, at $36,600, which makes $56,600 in total costs. We will just assume that repairs, maintenance and outfitting is the same cost for both.
Electricity isn't free, so figure 2.5 miles per kWh "from the wall" @ 12 cents per kWh = $4800 in electricity. I can tell you that electricity in California is WELL ABOVE the national average of 12 cents. So, the Tesla can cost about $72,000 to be close to equivalent. Of course, this assumes that the value at the end of the period is similar, and its entirely likely that the Tesla will be worth far more than a Crown Vic with 100,000 police miles.
2) Easy green wash campaign with EV cop cars. Expect the "suits" and executives of police work to be driving these cars, anyway. Light duty stuff, not pounding curbs and grabbing perps.
3) Warm fuzzies in California with a car built in California. I can foresee some kind of incentive plan from Sacramento that pays cash for government owned cars built in California.
I suspect that they will want "special" police / city owned Superchargers throughout the region, and an HPWC at 80 amps in every overnight parking stall and service bay.
And you don't think this is just a pilot test and they'll use the Model 3 for full ramp up?
Cut the cost of the car in half and see how that changes the math.
But, any other town?
When you convert the savings into the percentage of a salary, it means you can afford to hire more beat cops. Once the population figures that one out, they'll be demanding EV's so that they can have more police presence in their neighbourhoods.Above mentioned cities will be glad to drive Obamamobiles that save them $40k-$45k in fuel.
The Model 3 will not be available for the acquisition in 2017.
1) Yes, total cost of ownership, provided the cars survive hard core police duty. After 100,000 miles, the car will be ready for replacement (the average for a police car). In that time, at 20mpg, with $3/gal gasoline is only $15,000 in gasoline for the traditional police car. Let's throw another $5000 for any future price increases or lower mpg, so $20,000 in gasoline. I'll pick the most expensive police car, at $36,600, which makes $56,600 in total costs. We will just assume that repairs, maintenance and outfitting is the same cost for both.
Surely, they could find a way to integrate the lighting so that it doesn't protrude from the top...
That can't be beneficial for range.
20 mpg? These vehicles sit idling and cruise at low speeds more than anything. If LAPD fleet vehicles average over 10-12 mpg, I'd be shocked...
Criminals should be happy... all three rear seat positions are equally comfortable - no need to fight to avoid that dreaded middle seat with the drive shaft hump... Dr. Evil's Mini Me could go in the rear facing seat...
During high speed chase there is a need for higher speeds than 155mph & a need to sustain that speed... Current Model S cannot be a full stack police car yet