Major strata management group MICM in Victoria blocking installation of EV chargers

[OzTzlaBloke]

NCA, NCM, NCMA, sure, they can have a cascading thermal runaway but then again many many systems have known failure modes and we take them for granted every day in society. For decades the controls in place to treat the risk have evolved. We allow laptops and phones using those cathodes on huge passenger aircraft. Granted a much bigger battery bank has more energy, and its a drama if it does go up, but actually, the quantified risk of BEV combusting is orders of magnitude less than ICE I dont have the source handy right now. With respect I dont think we can say it doesnt matter if a BEV is charging or not p NCA NCM NCMA very much does matter. We just have in place battery management controls in place which have evolved over time to treat the risk.

Then LFP, well zero thermal runaway potential. Heck I have seen videos by the ASTM piercing them with conductive rods and still no fire.

Also, this myth that "oh well liquid fuel fires are easy to put out and BEVs are the son of satan if they do combust". I have personally seen a very very very nice Ferrari burn to a pile of ash on the track side despite having 23KG of fire extinguisher material readily applied immediately. I have personally seen a classic open wheeled Formula Brabham burn so violetnly there was literally stuff all apart from a near naked driver with minor burns and bits of his driver suit lying around which he took off post haste.

Heres an irony for you - lookup how many liters of petrol you can store in a garage typically by regulation. Then compare that to the 200L + that 4wd expedition vehicles common have in multiple tanks parked in the same garage

 

[OzTzlaBloke]

I'm not an engineer but why that is an issue escapes me but here we are...

I am an engineer and have been so for a long time on important things - sort of importance that cant go wrong. I'm not an electrical power transmission specialist engineer (and honestly some of you blokes know more in that area Id say than a graduate who did electrical engineering with a focus on power grid where Ive learnt from you all here), but all the same I think it escapes everyone because the problem isnt rational.

Irrational stuff just shouldnt be listened too

I would suggest the best way to defeat these sorts of claims is this - put the burden of proof back on those making these claims. They cant magically construct a strawman type narrative, do a red herring or other fallacies. You can start with "insert baseless conclusion off flimsy poor data misinterpreted" then progress into ad nausem verbage extending the BS statement from there on.

The bolt is known to be unsafe. Its a design error problem not a science problem inherent to the technology. Its strawman / red herring classic tactics to fear monger on the bolt applied to all.

 

[Quickst]

They cant magically construct a strawman type narrative, do a red herring or other fallacies.

Easy to do but there are no consequences for managers of existing buildings - yet

The pressure will come eventually from competition - the progressive building managers will start offering EV charging as it gives them an edge in the market.

Legislative pressure will be slower...

 

[meloccom]

In the building where we are installing the EV charging backbone, part of the impetus was a number of rental agreements that didn’t go ahead because of the lack of EV charging. Not sure how the MICM managed building works but for us the decision on how to install and run EV charging is a Body Corporate decision. Perhaps the OPS friend can approach the Body Corporate Committee directly?

 

[mukaibot]

In the building where we are installing the EV charging backbone, part of the impetus was a number of rental agreements that didn’t go ahead because of the lack of EV charging. Not sure how the MICM managed building works but for us the decision on how to install and run EV charging is a Body Corporate decision. Perhaps the OPS friend can approach the Body Corporate Committee directly?

Yes, exactly. I can only see this changing when owners corporations threaten a change of management, and while EVs are still niche, that is a way off unfortunately.

My friend is going to raise it with the owner's corp, but I don't like their chances.

 

[meloccom]

Yes, exactly. I can only see this changing when owners corporations threaten a change of management, and while EVs are still niche, that is a way off unfortunately.

My friend is going to raise it with the owner's corp, but I don't like their chances.

If he’s an owner in the building, he should start the process of determining the viability of installing EV charging in the building, which opens up the task of improving the efficiency of the building to lower the loads on the common area electricity system then calculate how much available capacity there is for EV charging. We have just gone through this process and had an EV Viability report created for us. I sent requests to three potential vendors, 1 charging billing company, an engineering company and a building efficiency consultant. Interestingly the committee chose to have 2 of three vendors write the report and the better report by far was from WattBlock, who also wrote the original building efficiency report 18 months ago.
You can also chat to Brent at Wattblock and he can take you through the steps involved.
Full disclosure, no involvement in Wattblock other than as a customer.