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His behavior is textbook malignant narcissist. He can't conceive of being responsible for anything wrong. He also has essentially no filters and isn't very bright, so he blabs away about whatever is in his head this second.



People who actually listen to the words see he's an idiot who can't string a coherent idea together to save his life. But some people just go by the vibe. That's why the more interesting candidate tends to win the presidency. Trump comes across as supremely confident in what he's saying those who don't listen to the words and just listen to the vibe think he really is the genius he thinks he is.

I only saw a few episodes of the old TV Show Cheers, but there was a guy who was a regular to the bar who I think was a mailman. It was a trope of the show that he came across as the world expert on everything, but it always showed that he was really talking through his backside. He talked a good game, but was really an idiot. Those who knew him well knew he was an idiot, but he would fool new people for a while. Trump is a lot like him.
Cliff Clavin!
 
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“I think I'll probably vote for Bernie... He’s been insanely consistent his entire life. He’s basically been saying the same thing, been for the same thing his whole life. And that in and of itself is a very powerful structure to operate from.” -Joe Rogan
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Bernie definitely has the momentum and is acting a lot like Trump in the 2016 primary. Maybe not as aggressive, though.

Let's say he wins the nomination, do the never-Bernie's of the Democratic establishment get on board or do they fight until the bitter end? I see Hillary said she wouldn't support Bernie but quickly retracted.
 
How so?

Rumors are that Obama will be next to attack Bernie. Corporate Dems may be more afraid of Bernie than Trump since he'll actually try to shake up the system in meaningful ways.

He's leading in the first two primary (IA and NH) states and has a shot at the 4th (NV). He will likely lose SC but 3 out of 4 going into Super Tuesday and leading in CA looks promising for him.

I agree that a Bernie nomination would move the MIC and Wall Street crowd to Trump. Maybe even some millionaires and billionaires!
 
He's leading in the first two primary (IA and NH) states and has a shot at the 4th (NV). He will likely lose SC but 3 out of 4 going into Super Tuesday and leading in CA looks promising for him.

I agree that a Bernie nomination would move the MIC and Wall Street crowd to Trump. Maybe even some millionaires and billionaires!
I think you are incorrect.
Of them all, I prefer Bernie as the most honest one
 
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I only saw a few episodes of the old TV Show Cheers, but there was a guy who was a regular to the bar who I think was a mailman. It was a trope of the show that he came across as the world expert on everything, but it always showed that he was really talking through his backside. He talked a good game, but was really an idiot. Those who knew him well knew he was an idiot, but he would fool new people for a while. Trump is a lot like him.

IMO that's being much too harsh on the Cliff Clavin character. He was a buffoon not a malignant narcissistic buffoon!
 
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IMO that's being much too harsh on the Cliff Clavin character. He was a buffoon not a malignant narcissistic buffoon!

True, Cliff and Trump share the same sense of always being right, their tendency to BS when they don't know (which is most of the time), and their tendency to not be the sharpest knife in the drawer. Trump adds a maliciousness and an unquenchable ego that Cliff does not have.

In the end Cliff is a more likable character. He's full of himself, but isn't really all that mean whereas there is very little to like with Trump.
 
How so?

Rumors are that Obama will be next to attack Bernie. Corporate Dems may be more afraid of Bernie than Trump since he'll actually try to shake up the system in meaningful ways.

Just my opinion, but I think "Corporate Dems" attacking Sanders is more likely motivated by their conviction Bernie has little chance of beating Trump. They are surely even more certain he would have no chance of getting his agenda through Congress if he was elected.
 
So you think they are ignoring his fundraising abilities, his favorability ratings, and his improving polling numbers which show him as most likely to beat Trump? They can pretend these things aren't real in public but I don't think they are that stupid to deny they are real behind closed doors.
 
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In the new audio that is out - Trump tells Lev & Igor to "take her out". He wanted Yovanovitch murdered ?

'Take her out': Recording appears to capture Trump at private dinner saying he wants Ukraine ambassador fired

There's a lot not to like about the recording, but the context of the quotes and the article only mention "take her out" in the context of her being fired. Taking that to suggest Trump wanted Yovanovitch murdered isn't a useful addition to the information.

I appreciate the link and the info.
 
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So you think they are ignoring his fundraising abilities, his favorability ratings, and his improving polling numbers which show him as most likely to beat Trump? They can pretend these things aren't real in public but I don't think they are that stupid to deny they are real behind closed doors.

But Bernie hasn't been through the Republican slime machine yet. Rick Wilson has said that his remaining counterparts working for Trump are hoping Bernie will be the nominee. Wilson himself said he can come up with a dozen ads to run against Sanders that casts him as a loony north eastern socialist off the top of his head. Polls have shown that if voters are convinced the nominee is a "socialist" they lose. There is a huge divide between those over and under about 40 years old. For those over 40, there are all the old anti-communist memes we knew before we could talk still lurking back there to be re-energized by the right ad campaign. Those under 40 lack the memes and don't see what the big deal is. The bulk of voters are over 40.

The Democratic establishment knows this too. Most of them are over 40 and they know those memes are there in most older Americans.

I don't think the older, establishment Democrats have as big a problem with the party moving to the left in principle as some of the critics think. I think it's more of a case of them looking at the larger picture of running a national campaign in the current environment. The public is generally not happy with Trump or the Republicans at this point. The younger generations are much more liberal than older generations. However any candidate running today needs to deal with a finely honed propaganda machine that is geared to find any weakness a Democratic candidate has and turn it against them. Add into that mix players from overseas who want to manipulate the elections to achieve one of two goals: ideally get someone elected who will do their bidding, or if not that, create as much havoc as possible to rip the country apart from within.

The conservative media is weaker than it was 4 years ago. There just is no real defense for some of the crazy stuff Trump has done and Trump is going to go even more crazy and do even more illegal things after he gets off in the Senate. He could quite easily order the arrests of all the Democrats who stood against him.

The foreign attacks also work best when people aren't aware they're happening and there is a lot of awareness of it now. They will still be out there preying on vulnerable minds.

But handing the GOP a Democratic nominee that is a perfect fit for their memes is a gift and it would make winning more difficult.

There is also no perfect candidate in the mix. Bill Clinton and Barack Obama were gifted campaigners. Both have the same gift to work a crowd that Trump has, except they also have a lot of substance too (and their magic works on a different type of crowd). Nobody in the race this time has that magic touch. Andrew Yang and Pete Buttigeig are the closest, but the problem is one has no governing experience and the other has a very thin resume. I think the electorate outside the Trump orbit are very hesitant to go with relative people who don't have relevant work experience. It didn't work out that well last time.

The candidate who has thus far seemed most resistant to meme attacks is Joe Biden because people know him the best. He has held the highest profile gig of all the candidates and he isn't scary. I know a lot of the Twitter Democrats hate him because he has been so connected to the credit card industry, and other things in his record in the Senate, but job #1 is beat Trump. Period. Any of the failings of a corporate friendly Democrat is survivable for 4 years if they are going to make the reforms necessary to ensure that nobody like Trump gets anywhere close to the presidency.

Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the better. I lean towards Biden only because I think he's got both the best chance to beat Trump and the best chance of beating Trump big. The individual state polls show Bernie doing OK in a lot of purple states, but Biden tends to do the best in those states. A candidate that gets a million more votes in California, but turns off voters in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania is setting up for a repeat of 2016. Who cares if California loathes the Democratic nominee, whoever the nominee is, they will probably win California anyway and it's worth 53 EV whether you win 51/49 of 80/20.

Overall I'm not that focused on the nominee fight though. There are some people in the hunt I think aren't experienced enough, some more liberal than I am, all the leaders are a bit long in the tooth for my comfort, and there are a couple (like Gabbard) who I think are too compromised to be president, but in the end, I plan to vote blue no matter who because the alternative is always going to be worse. Even if Trump strokes out on the toilet at 3 AM after eating a bucket of KFC and the Republicans replace him with someone else, that person will still be part of the toxic empire/cult the GOP has become.

I wouldn't have a serious problem with a GOP that was more like the Eisenhower era. There were some jerks in the party then (McCarthy for example), but the Democrats had some unsavory characters too. But the GOP of that era would work across the aisle on most legislation instead of the rare unicorn bill. But that GOP is as extinct as the tyrannosaurus rex. What we have to live with is the party that started mutating with Reagan, metastasized with Newt Gingrich, and became terminal with Trump. The only question is whether the party will just kill themselves or take the country or even the world with them.
 
The candidate who has thus far seemed most resistant to meme attacks is Joe Biden because people know him the best.

If you think Sanders is vulnerable to a GOP attack Biden will be slaughtered. Sleepy Joe, Crazy Joe, Creepy Joe, Corrupt Joe, who many think are more guilty than Trump regarding goings on in Ukraine, it would be a disaster. Joe gets more riled up and angrier than Trump when challenged, and he's provided too much fodder for attack adds showing his instability and possible mental decline.
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Polls have shown that if voters are convinced the nominee is a "socialist" they lose.
Every candidate running as a Democrat gets branded as a socialist by the Republicans.

So, basically, by your reckoning, Trump will win. No matter what.

Might as well lose with a hard shove of the Overton window to the left, including getting more socialists in downticket, than lose with a Republican with a D after their name and allow the Republicans with Rs after their name to keep pushing the Overton window to the right.

Also, did you not pay attention to what happened in 2016? Or 2004, for that matter? Running a Republican with a D after their name is not how you win.

(That said, I... disagree with your assessment. Of the whole thing. There are a lot of disillusioned voters that didn't have anyone credible to vote for in 2016 - the "my healthcare/retirement plan is the revolution/to die in the climate wars" types being among them - and giving them someone to vote for may well get them to actually show up.)
 
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There's a lot not to like about the recording, but the context of the quotes and the article only mention "take her out" in the context of her being fired. Taking that to suggest Trump wanted Yovanovitch murdered isn't a useful addition to the information.

I appreciate the link and the info.
Oh yes - that's why he was talking to mafia instead of state department - and Lev and his associates were doing secret surveillance of the Ambassador and talked about how to get her out of security or anything can be done for a price in Ukraine or how she should be taken care of "nicely" or why Trump said the Ambassador is going to go through some things soon or may be all these (over months) was pure coincidence.

Are you following the story closely ?

If the idea was to just recall her, no need to use euphemisms. I won't be surprised either way, though.
 
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