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TULSI GABBARD - 2 tours IRAQ - Major (?) in Reserves - Hawaii congressional representative

About | TULSI 2020

search YouTube for many interviews - Jimmy Dore & Joe Rogan for 2 hours - many others to pick from

ONLY OPENLY end wars peace candidate so far.
That "peace" is doing a lot of work.

Also the only person who takes money from Nazi inspired RSS (a Hindu supremacist organization). Given a chance to distance herself, she ducked the question.

https://www.sikh24.com/2019/04/02/u...ties-to-indias-rss-paramilitary/#.XQ78y3dFzsY
 
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You underestimate stability of USA. If USA fells apart due to inconciliable differences between two rightwing parties or rather two cultures, it will be long, drawn out, messy and painful process, like Roman Empire of late. It is possible that future historians will say about our times that this process already started by now.



Good that you clarified what you mean by that phrase. It was understood by me as something more drastic.



It is most likely scenario of USA - Iran war in my opinion, yes.



"But but other one does same thing too!!!111" argument does not impress me. Especially if you in same breath claim it is totally not same thing.



Source, please. It this claim is true, that would indicate serious problem.

So far all you have for supporting your claim that USA military is "Potemkin village" is one incident in one wargame 17 years ago and deceptive conflating of military campaigns and military occupation in countries where USA waged war lately. This is extremely flimsy basis for such extraordinary claim.

I wouldn't call the US military a Potemkin village, but history is full of stories of militaries who thought they were prepared for the next war only to find out disastrously that they weren't. A shining example was the French army in 1940. On paper they were one of the most imposing armies on Earth only to find out they were helpless against modern mobile warfare.

The US has been caught on the wrong foot many times in wars. Sometimes the mistakes were corrected relatively quickly and without too much trouble, other times things became a mess. George HW Bush didn't take out Saddam Hussein in 1991 because nobody could come up for a workable "what next" scenario. When the US did take out Hussein things went pear shaped very soon after. The US had no idea how to fight an insurgency and lost.

Wonderful post! If you have a book to suggest that traces the history of American political culture in a similar manner to your brief overview, I'd love to know.

American Nations is a good book about the different cultures that make up North America along with the political divsions between them
https://www.amazon.com/American-Nat...rican+nations&qid=1561263331&s=gateway&sr=8-2

I have been seeking a good book that details the history of the US party systems, but there are Wikipedia pages on each era and bits and pieces in other corners of the internet, I've yet to find a comprehensive history.

The war with Iran was planned in 2001.

That in itself is not unusual. The US has always planned wars with any potential rivals. In between WW I and II they had a series of them called the Rainbow Plans. War Plan Orange is probably the best known. It was the plan for a war with Japan. The actual war in the Pacific played out in a modified version of War Plan Orange. there was also a War Plan Red for a 1930s/40s war with Great Britain.

Chris Hedges - war correspondent for about 15 years - usual wikipedia shortcomings but a start:
Chris Hedges - Wikipedia
He'll tell you the Germans had no idea when the Berlin Wall would fall down. Told Hedges it would be year and it fell the next week.
Same for Yugoslavia, Hungary, Poland, Ukraine .... Sadly, IF the governments won't start to fix things, then civil unrest can rise up and the process is not pretty - a lot of citizens can get killed.

It is the exceptions when people don't get killed that we should study to understand why.
Both of the Roosevelts may have avoided civil war. Lincoln clearly didn't. And US still doesn't want to recognize we were about the last 1st world country to outlaw slavery - well after Europe.
Genocide of the American Indians we just avoid the topic, Canada slightly less.

Americans mostly don't know history and so we repeat war after war after was and hero worship warrior killing.

Buchannon was probably the president who failed to stop the civil war. Things were spinning out of control during his presidency. The election of Abraham Lincoln spurred the Southern states to secede, which happened between the election and inauguration. The attack on Fort Sumpter which kicked off the war was a month after Lincoln took office.

Lincoln was prepared to let the South go peacefully until they attacked a Union fort. That unified the country to fight overnight.

Europe largely did away with slavery long before the US did because there was no shortage of farm labor in Europe and there was in the US. Slaves were originally imported to the US because of a labor shortage for large scale plantations which were common in the South. In the north smaller family farms were the norm and slavery was much less common even when it was legal there.

Industrialization was already beginning to make slavery uneconomical on the eve of the civil war. Because of the farm labor shortage in the north steam driven tractors and other farming aids became much more common in the north during the war. I have read that slavery might have been mostly dead from the changing market by the 1890s or 1900. It is an interesting "what if" to consider how things may have been different if slavery had just died out rather than been forced to end by law and war. There is still a lot of resentment today among Southern whites for what happened due to the war as well as the civil rights movement of the 1960s.

There still would probably be some degree of racism in the US. The UK doesn't have a similarly disgruntled population, but they have had their share of racism.

There are a lot of swirling divisions in the US right now that could erupt in a civil war. Though the geographical lines are less clear than they were in 1860. An urban vs rural fight would be impossible for both sides to wage, but that's where the deepest lines are drawn.
 
If Bernie Sanders is nominated I'll vote for him. If any of the other front running democratic candidates is nominated I'll vote against him/her because they are all racists It never occurs to these Opies to treat other races as equals. Just for your information.
You'd vote for Trump over, say, Warren, Harris or Biden? Or waste your vote on some spoiler, helping Trump get elected? I think you're trolling here, that position makes no sense.
 
That doesn't mean there was not horrendous loss of life for other reasons. I've seen estimates up to seven million lost their lives in the civil war which followed the revolutions of 1917. We participated as did other westerners. Don't know if the Japanese invasion in the East was bloody, too.

On the collapse of USSR there were real signs of decay as the top leadership degenerated into what the specialists called a "gerontocracy."
Many analysts have blamed the quagmire of the Russian invasion of Afghanistan for the collapse of the USSR.

Gorbachev himself, however, blamed Chernobyl.

Stalin, as Commissar of Nationalities, set the stage for conflict with deliberate structural tension between nationalities as he drew boundaries for the eventual Union constitution. He dealt with things by brute force with no effective backlash. Gorbachev was not so harsh. I also missed the clues, but there were some. I was shocked to read in our papers that a Soviet general lost his tank to a side in the Nagorno/Karabakh disturbances! For many years I taught books by Hélène Carrère d'Encausse. According to Wikipedia,

"Her most notable book may be 1978's L'empire éclaté: La révolte des nations en U.R.S.S (English version, Decline of an Empire: The Soviet Socialist Republics in Revolt) in which she predicted that the Soviet Union was destined to break up along the lines of its 15 constituent republics. Her suggestion was ridiculed at the time, but turned into reality when the USSR fell apart more than a decade later."

Hélène Carrère d'Encausse - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hélène_Carrère_d'Encausse#Russian_scholarship

Thank you!

I taught the English version and modifications of several subsequent ones she published in later years. As I recall she blamed Gorbachev for ignoring Brezhnev's affirmative action policy of appointing titular nationalities to top posts in the Republics and in key Republics, the top local leader to the Politburo. The classic and most egregious case of a Russian, who promised to learn the language, in Kazakhstan just as the total of Kazakhs reached a plurality. Gorby did this because of his war on corruption, which was real, but unless he was to pull a Stalin....

Edit: It just struck me. Ethnic politics ended the Soviet Empire, ethnic politics elected Trump and his go-it-alone foreign policy making America great, is ending the U.S. empire (a version of nationalist politics worldwide). Also, what is dividing the Dems these days, the idea the black vote will diminish unless Biden is nominated?

Unfortunately it does seem that Woodrow Wilson's idea of ethnostates has some good evidence behind it. He only implemented it in Europe, though (leaving the Middle East, Africa, and Southeast Asia a mess of stupid colonial borders).
 
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First time I heard of this.

Its very simple. Status Quo (as Biden told rich donors "nothing will fundamentally change" if he is elected) vs Sanders "revolution".

Establishment is now pushing Warren to reduce Sanders votes.

I sometimes think of Sanders as like Thomas Attwood of the Birmingham Political Union, and of Warren as like Lord Grey. The first was ready for revolution (peaceful by preference, violent if necessary); the second warned, accurately, that reform was essential if the elite wanted to avoid bloody revolution. Neither was really very radical; both recognized that major change was essential; they differed in their fundamental sympathies, but they worked hand-in-hand to pass the Reform Act.

I have expressed my sympathies for Lord Grey's views before, so I am fine with Warren.
 
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I have expressed my sympathies for Lord Grey's views before, so I am fine with Warren.
Since the primary can run for a long time, establishment folks now want to push Sanders to 3rd place. Only way to do that (now that Beto, Kamala, Pete et al failed) is to prop up Warren. That is what they are doing now. Warren has also changed some tunes - she is ok with PAC money in general now. When it comes to the war machine, she is no different than other Dems.

One aspect not probably appreciated is - its not just Wall St that is threatened by Sanders, its also the military-industrial complex. Warren is fine with them.
 
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Lincoln was prepared to let the South go peacefully until they attacked a Union fort. That unified the country to fight overnight.

Pretty much. Lincoln repeatedly told his cabinet that they *could not* fire the first shot, and must wait to see if the South did. Sure enough, the slavers attacked Ft. Sumter.

Europe largely did away with slavery long before the US did because there was no shortage of farm labor in Europe and there was in the US. Slaves were originally imported to the US because of a labor shortage for large scale plantations which were common in the South. In the north smaller family farms were the norm and slavery was much less common even when it was legal there.

Industrialization was already beginning to make slavery uneconomical on the eve of the civil war.
Some economic analyses say that the cotton gin made slavery profitable again, because nobody knew how to automatically pick cotton yet. Slavery ended up being focused on cotton and sugar, mostly; crops where picking them had not been mechanized but processing had.

Because of the farm labor shortage in the north steam driven tractors and other farming aids became much more common in the north during the war. I have read that slavery might have been mostly dead from the changing market by the 1890s or 1900.

The plantation owner leadership would never have let it happen. I spent a while studying the lead-up to the Civil War; these plantiation owners were complete fanatics who believed that slavery was essential. They were trying to force slavery onto the free states and territories, and started right off with plans to invade the free states.They kidnapped free black people from the north to enslave them.


They were crazy. The reason appears to be that they derived their social status from having slaves, and without slaves, they lost their unearned social status. And if non-slavers could acheive similar wealth and power... they lost their social status. They were willing to set their own states on fire to preserve their social status. Of course, they wouldn't fight themselves; it was a "rich man's war and a poor man's fight"; they sent the poor whites to fight while relaxing in their plantations.

There's a reason Sherman said that 10% of the eldest sons of the plantation owners had to be killed in order to stop them. The plantation owners needed their spirits broken. Unfortunately, this didn't happen. If the Confederate generals, colonels, and "government" had all been executed for treason, things would have gone a lot better.

In fact, Lincoln, like most people in the North, would happily have allowed the country to be half slave and half free, but *the slavers would not let it happen* -- they kept insisting on forcing slavery into the free states, kidnapping free black people and enslaving them, et cetera. This was unacceptable to the North, obviously, but the slavers would not settle for anything less than total domination. Lincoln explains this in the Cooper Union speech.

After the Civil War, the plantation-owning slaver elite basically reinstituted near-slavery, using sharecropping, segregation, and the KKK; but *they didn't try to force it on the rest of the country*, and so the rest of the country shrugged its shoulders and let it happen.

The Civil War was actually over whether slavery would expand, or whether it would be contained. This is something very few people understand because great efforts have been made to cloud the topic, mostly by pro-slavery types. But it is very clear from the contemporaneous documents. It was contained.
 
Bad reporting, obviously.

Accurate, though:

Javad Zarif on Twitter

Having reviewed this, the US military was playing stupid buggers, trying to run a drone right up to the borders of Iranian territorial waters, while ignoring warnings... and they went over the line into Iranian territorial waters, at which point they were shot down.

This is the sort of brinksmanship BS which the US military has done repeatedly in the past -- it's totally in character.
 
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Since the primary can run for a long time, establishment folks now want to push Sanders to 3rd place. Only way to do that (now that Beto, Kamala, Pete et al failed) is to prop up Warren. That is what they are doing now. Warren has also changed some tunes - she is ok with PAC money in general now. When it comes to the war machine, she is no different than other Dems.

One aspect not probably appreciated is - its not just Wall St that is threatened by Sanders, its also the military-industrial complex. Warren is fine with them.
I'm fine with Sanders too. I am really, really not OK with Biden.

Warren, like all the other Democrats (and five Republicans) voted to invoke the War Powers Act to get the US out of Yemen. It's good enough for me.
 
So Iran's foreign minister is blaming the "B team" of "Bin Salman, Benjamin Netenyahu, and Bolton" for trying to manipulate Donald Trump into a war.

I actually believe he's right. It fits. Hopefully Trump will listen and realize that he was being scammed by Bolton & company. If he realizes that... interesting and good results will happen. :) Trump may be a scammer himself (he is), but he really doesn't like it when other people scam him.
 
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I suppose the US could blow some random things in Iran up, "declare victory", and leave. That would achieve nothing (other than damaging the reputation of the US internationally) but would be relatively harmless. The US has done such silliness before, and so has France. Britain doesn't tend to engage in that sort of nonsense and neither does Russia or China.

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The Houthis are a regional ethnic group movement in a Yemeni civil war... Calling the Houthi rebels "terrorists" is just a slur; they're actually actors in a Yemeni civil war which everyone outside Yemen should have stayed out of. There have been several Yemeni civil wars. We managed to stay out of the other Yemeni civil wars.

Iran probably sells the Houthi weapons (unproven) and definitely provides humanitarian aid (proven). The US government actively supports indiscriminate bombing of Yemeni civilians by Saudi planes (proven). Who's the terrorist group? Yep, in this case it's the US, and Congress has even recognized this and told Trump to stop supporting Saudi terrorism in Yemen. Of course he vetoed that bill because he can't stand being told what to do.

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If there is one potential good outcome from Trump internationally, it would be that the rest of the world settles its own problems before the US lunatics interfere and make everything worse. Because the one thing nearly every side in war-torn areas agrees on is that they want the US *out*. This is true in Iraq, in Syria, in Afghanistan, in Yemen, and now even in South Korea.
I agree with much of what you say but differ in numerous details. I admit my own bias since I lived in Iran just prior to the revolution, lived in the UAE (Sharjah), Bahrain and Yemen with much time in Kuwait, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Israel and elsewhere in the region. In Yemen I started a bank which continues profitably to this day, oddly enough, although the origins of the institution now are rewritten to some extent.

First Yemen today largely was destabilized by the 1990 merger of Aden (the communist southern regions) with the Yemen Arab Republic (broadly, the North). The President, Ali Abdullah Saleh was a superb politician in the YAR, who mastered geopolitics in an unprecedented way (example the 1978 National Day celebrations had military equipment on parade from Russia, China, US and Italy. I still have mementoes of that day. My spouse worked fro the Italian contingent). After unification the previously quiescent and cooperative Zaidi group became fearful of increased southern power so took umbrage. Since Zaidi Immams had ruled the northern Sa'dah region for more than a millenium (they still used the Maria Teresa Tolar as their primary currency when i was there) they were infuriated. That then spawned the Houthi movement (the Houthi are NOT an ethnic group, but a semi-religious political group, almost all fo them are Zaidi Sunni, not all). Since the Zaidi had ruled parts of modern Saudi Arabia and have still retained considerable influence, the Wahhabi (the Saudi religious fanatics whose cooperation King Saud bought to form Saudi Arabia, not understanding the inglorious price he paid) entered the fray but over reacted.

Once that Saudi overreaction happened all sorts of gross stupidity began to occur. Since I lived in Yemen the US has actively participated but has been completely clueless about Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Iran and latterly the UAE (specifically clueless about the huge disparity between Abu Dhabi, Dubai and the other emirates0 and Qatar (in which the open freedom fo Al Jazeera has generated the defamation of Qatar by the fearful rulers of Abu Dhabi and Saudi Arabia). The deep-rooted cluelessness has fomented disaster after disaster since the 1953 Iran revolution led by the US, the overthrow of King Idris is Iraq. Since Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon and Syria were all formed with wildly misguided mostly UK initiative, the region has been a cauldron of incompetent and arrogant overreach by nearly everyone. Bluntly, much of the stupidity was about US oil companies driving their own priorities especially in Iran, Saudi, and the UAE. US Iran policy has been almost entirely about oIl since the late 1940's. The Iranian revolution was about freedom from that dominance, not religion, but ended out religious by accident. (Since I was there for those events of 1977-1978 I obviously have strong views)

We today are in a position in which the transition to a sustainable economy threatens everything Western politics have been about in the Middle East. In that light it is surpassing odd that both Jordan and Dubai manage to be Tesla advocates. No a coincident that both of those places are oddly semi-independent of much of the dissaray elsewhere in the region. We should all be acutely aware that the current events are mostly about 'robber barons' being threatened.

Finally, One thing I know after my decades dealing the the region: I really haven't much of a clue. Despite that 'not much' is vastly better than none at all.
 
I agree with much of what you say but differ in numerous details. I admit my own bias since I lived in Iran just prior to the revolution, lived in the UAE (Sharjah), Bahrain and Yemen with much time in Kuwait, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Israel and elsewhere in the region. In Yemen I started a bank which continues profitably to this day, oddly enough, although the origins of the institution now are rewritten to some extent.

First Yemen today largely was destabilized by the 1990 merger of Aden (the communist southern regions) with the Yemen Arab Republic (broadly, the North).
This does seem to have been a monumental mistake.

The President, Ali Abdullah Saleh was a superb politician in the YAR, who mastered geopolitics in an unprecedented way (example the 1978 National Day celebrations had military equipment on parade from Russia, China, US and Italy. I still have mementoes of that day. My spouse worked fro the Italian contingent). After unification the previously quiescent and cooperative Zaidi group became fearful of increased southern power so took umbrage. Since Zaidi Immams had ruled the northern Sa'dah region for more than a millenium (they still used the Maria Teresa Tolar as their primary currency when i was there) they were infuriated. That then spawned the Houthi movement (the Houthi are NOT an ethnic group, but a semi-religious political group, almost all fo them are Zaidi Sunni, not all).
Thanks for the clarification.

Since the Zaidi had ruled parts of modern Saudi Arabia and have still retained considerable influence, the Wahhabi (the Saudi religious fanatics whose cooperation King Saud bought to form Saudi Arabia, not understanding the inglorious price he paid) entered the fray but over reacted.

Once that Saudi overreaction happened all sorts of gross stupidity began to occur. Since I lived in Yemen the US has actively participated but has been completely clueless about Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Iran and latterly the UAE (specifically clueless about the huge disparity between Abu Dhabi, Dubai and the other emirates0 and Qatar (in which the open freedom fo Al Jazeera has generated the defamation of Qatar by the fearful rulers of Abu Dhabi and Saudi Arabia). The deep-rooted cluelessness has fomented disaster after disaster since the 1953 Iran revolution led by the US, the overthrow of King Idris is Iraq. Since Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon and Syria were all formed with wildly misguided mostly UK initiative, the region has been a cauldron of incompetent and arrogant overreach by nearly everyone. Bluntly, much of the stupidity was about US oil companies driving their own priorities especially in Iran, Saudi, and the UAE. US Iran policy has been almost entirely about oIl since the late 1940's. The Iranian revolution was about freedom from that dominance, not religion, but ended out religious by accident. (Since I was there for those events of 1977-1978 I obviously have strong views)
Indeed.

We today are in a position in which the transition to a sustainable economy threatens everything Western politics have been about in the Middle East. In that light it is surpassing odd that both Jordan and Dubai manage to be Tesla advocates. No a coincident that both of those places are oddly semi-independent of much of the dissaray elsewhere in the region. We should all be acutely aware that the current events are mostly about 'robber barons' being threatened.
That much seems pretty clear, doesn't it. :-(

Finally, One thing I know after my decades dealing the the region: I really haven't much of a clue. Despite that 'not much' is vastly better than none at all.
 
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Having reviewed this, the US military was playing stupid buggers, trying to run a drone right up to the borders of Iranian territorial waters, while ignoring warnings... and they went over the line into Iranian territorial waters, at which point they were shot down.

This is the sort of brinksmanship BS which the US military has done repeatedly in the past -- it's totally in character.
That seems to be the norm for them.

Living outside the US for most of my life I have grown to regard US policy as just as bad as any other country except for one thing. The US populace by and large actually seems to believe in American exceptionalism. That makes the quite wonderful place prone to view the reest of the world as a place for US missionaries to civilize. It is that condition that gives me pause when I think about how exceptional Tesla is, among numerous other things. Frankly, the most successful US companies have tended to convert themselves into citizens of where ever they are. Globalism with a local taste actually works.

Nobody succeeds long term with conquest. Just ask Russia how that worked out in Afghanistan. Crimea and Ukraine are different perhaps.
 
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