Xerious
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People have mentioned it before. You can tune the sport coil overs to ride like comfort if you like. That sold me on the sports..
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MPP Comfort Coilover reviews?
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gilscales
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According to MPP their Sport coilovers are still approx. 20% stiffer than the comforts even when set at the softest settings.
RB stands for Racing Brake. They make a rotor similar to MPPs, with improved cooling and replacable disks - you keep the hat and just buys the blank disks. Both MPP and RB aftermarket brake disks have thicker rotor hats, very much like the stock brake hat on the non-performance brake cars. That's why the performance brake cars have lesser offset, they have thinner rotor hats, while the other non-P brake cars have 5 mm more positve offset in the stock OEM wheel (positive offset moves the wheel inboard - yes I know that's counterintutitive!).
This just means that with the aftermarket rotors you have about the same situation as non-P brake cars, in terms of room. Biggest problem is the front spindle clearance. That is the limiting factor in superwide wheels and tires, which forces you to move the wheel and tire slightly outboard, which creates, in the parlance, 'poke', and, more drag. Some like the more outboard look, some don't.
Using the 15mm measurements for both the front and rear spring perches as recommended on your website for the Sports AWD Coilovers results in the front being 20mm higher than the rears (380mm hub-to-fender vs 360mm hub-to-fender).
I was looking for a 30mm overall drop (115mm battery ground clearance) and while the rears are exactly there, it appears I'll only be able to get 25mm max drop in the front if I lower the front spring perches all the way to the bottom of the threads on the strut. I don't like reverse rake so I'll likely raise the rears 5mm to match.
If I had known this I would've used the tender springs as opposed to the aluminum spacers, but given that I just spent many hours installing it all in my garage I don't really feel like pulling it apart again right now.
Do you know how exactly the ride will be negatively impacted by being at that extreme of the adjustment range? I'm a bit disappointed there aren't more threads for further adjustability.
EDIT: Apologies this is in the comfort coilovers thread, I just saw this and got curious how my ride will be affected for being lowered all the way up front and wanted to ask the question here as opposed to email for other's benefit as well.
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Great to hear! Thanks for the follow-up, loving the coilovers otherwise.
Thanks! Is the toe adjustment to the front is by the the tie rod? Also if I just want to correct the camber on the rear to save tires all I need to buy is the camber kit? No need for the rear toe kit?
Only toe in is adjustable on the stock suspension both front and rear. But the rear toe arms are way easier to work with than the clunky and eventually Rusty cam drive on the rear toe arm. I recommend if you can afford it getting both the rear toe and Camber arms just because of how much easier it is to actually get an alignment with those installed. If you lower the car a little over an inch will get to about one degree negative on the front, which is good for Street driving but is not enough for track. So if you're tracking you probably want to get the front a-arm which allows adjustable camber in front. Pretty sure that front toe is done by classic tie rod mechanism.
So in other words if I will never track the car and just wanted a lowered stance but just wanted even tire wear, can I get away with rear camber kit only Without toe kit?
@dfwatt pretty much covered everything! He ordered the Toe Arms a few months after installing the Camber Arms, so I think he speaks from the experience of having rather done them both at once.
Yes until the cam bolt gets rusty you basically have the same functionality. So on a new car you're fine with just a camber arm kit at the rear. Most alignment guys report however that the cam bolt often times is very hard to adjust in fine increments whereas the MPP toe arms are exquisitely adjustable. Another Plus that is not talked about is you're dropping a couple pounds of unsprung weight. Whether that's worth it or not is an individual decision but for me between the unsprung weight and the vast ease of alignment compared to the stock setup, it was a no-brainer. Last but not least the build quality on the MPP arms is about as good as it gets.
You can probably check the Forum but I think they indicated they're they're just waiting for stuff from KW. There may have been a post on this one already. In other words that maybe no longer a wait than the current wait for the sports coilovers.
It isn't something we will stock, it is just a configuration you can request and when the kit is assembled in Germany the springs will be changed.
Here is my review of the MPP Comfort Coilovers...
I had the MPP comfort coilovers installed about three weeks ago by my local shop in Santa Barbara - HP Autosport. Harold @ HP is super knowledgeable and helpful and does great work.
I took delivery of my LR RWD in April 2018 on the gen-2 factory suspension. Ride quality and handling were decent, but the fender gaps were much higher than my liking for a sport sedan. I then had the T sportline lowering springs installed by HP Autosport last August. While the ride quality was generally better on slow compression bumps, it was much worse on fast compression bumps and divots, even lane line reflectors on the freeway were jarring. I also disliked how the fender gap was uneven front and rear making it look like there was extra weight in the trunk.
Earlier this year I decided that it was time to give up on the T sportline springs and go for a real coilovers setup. After reading a few of the reviews here, and overall being impressed with the work Mountainpass is doing, I decided on the comfort coilovers. While I’m sure the sport set is great, I don’t plan to track this car so the extra cost for adjustable compression/rebound didn’t seem necessary.
So, here are my thoughts and impressions of the MP comfort coilovers so far:
Ride quality
Definitely better than either stock or the T sportline springs. I find that the medium-speed compressions bumps are the smoothest, e.g. speed bumps. Slow compressions are good, as expected, and fast compressions (divots, cracks, reflectors) are stiff but significantly better than the T sportline springs.
Handling
Despite being more compliant, I have found the handling to be better overall. When taking a sharp turn under power, the T sportlines were nice and flat due to the progressive rear springs, but most other movements or hard turns were mediocre at best. At worst, a mid-turn bump would upset the handling and was quite unnerving. The MPP comforts might have slightly more body roll in fast power turns, but overall the handling is way more predictable, responsive, and generally easier to maneuver at speed.
Ride height
The ability to dial in ride height is the killer feature here. The specs recommended by MPP were a bit too low for my taste but they looked real slickI ended up taking the car back to HP to have them raised up a bit. After a few weeks of settling my final ride height is around 1.5” below stock and ground clearance is still a bit on the low side for my needs. There are lots of steep driveways here in SB and my wife gets quite uneasy when we bottom out. Ideally I'd like to bring the ride height up a second time but still debating whether it's worth the cost for another adjustment.
Ground-to-fender height:
26 7/8” front and rear
Battery pack ground clearance:
4” front
3 7/8” rear
(For comparison, here are the measurements I took on the stock suspension and also on the T Sportline springs.)
Summary
Overall I am very happy with the MPP comfort coilovers. As MPP claims, I would characterize them as the ideal street sportscar suspension, which strikes the right balance between handling and comfort for a daily-driven sports car. If I had to nit-pick, I would like to see slightly softer response on fast-compression bumps and divots, and slightly stiffer overall handling, but it really is 95% perfect so I’m talking about minor improvements here. Also, Harold mentioned the MPP kit was significantly lighter than the stock part so you save a good amount of unsprung weight with this kit.
I should probably note that I am on stock 19” sport wheels and factory continental tires. I also installed spacers of 15mm front and 20mm rear back in August when i had the T sportlines installed. I’m not 100% sure how spacers change the physics of suspensions but that could be be affecting my experience somewhat. @MountainPass I would love any insights you can share on this point.
I have attached some photos of the final setup. Overall I’m very happy with the setup and enjoying my Model 3 even more than before. Kudos to MPP for a great suspension and HP Autosport for a great install.
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Another post of RWD getting more body roll on the Comfort Coilovers. I have AWD and was wondering would this be no different for me as well?
I do not have comfort coilovers but to be on the safe side, I would recommend sport version coilovers. It should also give you comfort ride depending on settings and definitely reduced body roll from stock suspension.
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