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Navigation upgrade cost
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I'm not positive but I think it requires replacing the MCU. If so, $2700 seems reasonable. (And would likely get you the LTE upgrade as well.)
There isn't a NAV upgrade requiring new hardware.
It sounds like you've been quoted the cost of getting a new MCU and new console display, which also includes the LTE hardware.
And you don't need that to get the new navigation software.
Our 2012 S P85 got the new navigation software update about a month before our 2017 S 100D. Even though our 100D has LTE and the P85 has only 3G, we haven't noticed any difference in performance of the navigation system.
We'll be getting an MCU2 with our new Model X soon, and be able to do a side-by-side comparison. If there's a significant difference in performance, we might consider upgrading our S 100D to MCU2.
However, I suspect that for most operations, the performance will be similar. Much of the lag in displaying the console maps and in doing routing with the new navigation software is due to Internet performance caused by server-side restrictions. And having a faster MCU processor or faster LTE communications, probably won't help much in those cases.
It sounds like you've been quoted the cost of getting a new MCU and new console display, which also includes the LTE hardware.
And you don't need that to get the new navigation software.
Our 2012 S P85 got the new navigation software update about a month before our 2017 S 100D. Even though our 100D has LTE and the P85 has only 3G, we haven't noticed any difference in performance of the navigation system.
We'll be getting an MCU2 with our new Model X soon, and be able to do a side-by-side comparison. If there's a significant difference in performance, we might consider upgrading our S 100D to MCU2.
However, I suspect that for most operations, the performance will be similar. Much of the lag in displaying the console maps and in doing routing with the new navigation software is due to Internet performance caused by server-side restrictions. And having a faster MCU processor or faster LTE communications, probably won't help much in those cases.
Bob_P, if I go to the telsa service center and ask them for nav and they tell me $2700, I counter with I was expecting between 200 and 1000, and they say that's what it is. How do you get around that? Really, I'm all ears because I'd love to get the super charger planning that comes with nav.
OP might have a classic Model S 60 without tech package. If that’s the case, it doesn’t have the hardware to support navigation. Later on, Tesla did make navigation standard on all cars, but I don’t remember when that occurred (maybe later in 2014).
The tech package went away (and navigation made standard) around March/April 2015. (I specifically remember this because it was after I ordered but before my S85D went into production.)
Bruce.
FWIW, my experience with our navigation system has been pretty poor. It's convenient, in that it's on the screen, but it's not very good. For anything complex we always check Google.
WinterDragoness
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I have a 2014 Model S 60 without tech package and last year the GPS started frequently freezing. To fix that, they replaced the MCU. I later learned that I got an upgraded MCU and so they could give me GPS navigation for $145. I had them do that. My only frustration is that it doesn't show speed limit like on cars with autopilot sensors:
I assume the GPS map data contains speed limits just like my handheld GPS does but I guess the firmware is not programmed with a way to show them on non-autopilot cars. Anyone know if this can be fixed?
I assume the GPS map data contains speed limits just like my handheld GPS does but I guess the firmware is not programmed with a way to show them on non-autopilot cars. Anyone know if this can be fixed?
Here's the deal... for cars of that vintage.
They came with an MCU that either had "maps" or not. These are two different part numbers.
When you replace a MCU on warranty (ask me how I know) they order the exact thing that was in the car, with maps, or not. Mine has it.
If you are asking for "hey I want maps now" and that's not what's in your car, they would have to replace the MCU with one that has it. And they're going to full bill for that new MCU because it's not a warranty swap. It's at your request.
$2700 is the right price for MCU.
They will move over whatever mobile card you have, so if it's 3G you'll end up with 3G. If you want to pay more, $500 maybe, you could upgrade to LTE at the same time.
These are two different chargables.
I chose to upgrade to LTE at MCU swap time, and paid the $500.
But wait! Would you replace MCU for MCU, why not jump to MCU2? Reason: the retro kit is not available (yet) and is on Elon time to deliver.
They came with an MCU that either had "maps" or not. These are two different part numbers.
When you replace a MCU on warranty (ask me how I know) they order the exact thing that was in the car, with maps, or not. Mine has it.
If you are asking for "hey I want maps now" and that's not what's in your car, they would have to replace the MCU with one that has it. And they're going to full bill for that new MCU because it's not a warranty swap. It's at your request.
$2700 is the right price for MCU.
They will move over whatever mobile card you have, so if it's 3G you'll end up with 3G. If you want to pay more, $500 maybe, you could upgrade to LTE at the same time.
These are two different chargables.
I chose to upgrade to LTE at MCU swap time, and paid the $500.
But wait! Would you replace MCU for MCU, why not jump to MCU2? Reason: the retro kit is not available (yet) and is on Elon time to deliver.
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WinterDragoness
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Not always true. In my case, when my original 3G, 2014 MCU without tech package (no GPS nav) had a failing GPS module, they replaced the MCU with one with maps and LTE under warranty, no charge. I didn't ask for any upgrades, nor did I realize it had GPS nav capability until about a year later when they informed me. Maybe I just got really lucky. Or maybe they've run out of old hardware so the newer MCUs are all they can put in.
They later offered to add GPS nav for $145 so I did that. This may have been a discounted price because I took the car in 4 times trying to get them to fix the same problem with random "Touchscreen unresponsive" and all superchargers showing up as 50% opacity, meaning they were out of range (except that they were well in range). They kept diagnosing both as a touchscreen hardware problem and my touchscreen was actually replaced about four times (*facepalm*). Now they think Touchscreen unresponsive is a firmware problem (yet to be fixed) and the 50% opacity superchargers was a feature removed by an OTA firmware update for cars without GPS nav. Adding GPS nav fixed it so superchargers in range show up as 100% opacity again.
I always wondered how the trip routing feature to "end range anxiety" would work for the people that didn't get the tech package/GPS Navigation. Apparently not very well.
WinterDragoness
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I always wondered how the trip routing feature to "end range anxiety" would work for the people that didn't get the tech package/GPS Navigation. Apparently not very well.
I've actually been fine doing manual calculations for the previous 3.5 years of ownership. Take distance * 1.3 for a safety margin, +1 for each 100 foot elevation rise or -1 for each 50 foot elevation fall between start and end of trip. Only issue I've had is through the wind farm in Coachella Valley, if it's a strong headwind I've not quite made it to the next charger a couple times even after adding extra safety margin the first time it happened. Ack. Luckily Morongo Casino has CHAdeMO. I actually arrived there both times with 0RM. Pretty stressful.
GPS nav does save time doing the manual calcs. I don't think GPS nav includes headwinds either but I think it's more conservative than my calc so I would have charged longer and it would have made it clearer earlier that we weren't going to make the next supercharger. Of course, the feature I originally had with superchargers going transparent also could have warned me if they hadn't removed it. =b
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