h2ofun
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NBCs are charged for each kWh that you use from the grid. So, it makes no sense for anyone here to speculate how much you might accumulate in a year.How much are NBCs annually? Does it include fees and utility fees? If so, around $144 or less than that?
NBCs are charged for each kWh that you use from the grid. So, it makes no sense for anyone here to speculate how much you might accumulate in a year.
For example, one user here accumulated over $500 in NBCs because they use Grid Charging and Export Everything to get NEM credits to balance out their already high net consumption. I had never seen such high NBCs because I had never considered doing such a thing.
I think you still have the wrong acronym. Minimum Delivery Charges?Oh sorry, I meant MBC. does MBC include taxes and fees? My NBCs are getting close to the MBC but if it includes taxes and fees then I have more wiggle room.
You mean MDC or Minimum Daily Charge which is compromised of all the various unbundled fees. This is currently $0.37612/day, for 365 days that is $137.28.Oh sorry, I meant MBC. does MBC include taxes and fees? My NBCs are getting close to the MBC but if it includes taxes and fees then I have more wiggle room.
You mean MDC or Minimum Daily Charge which is compromised of all the various unbundled fees. This is currently $0.37612/day, for 365 days that is $137.28.
You mean MDC or Minimum Daily Charge which is compromised of all the various unbundled fees. This is currently $0.37612/day, for 365 days that is $137.28.
This is a leap year and February 29th is a day, so yes there is another $0.37612 due. No extra charge for the leap seconds though.But a year is 365.25 days??!! What happens on the leap year? Do you get hit with the rounded up full day?
EV2A off-peak is $.34462 effective 1/1/24! All our systems' ROI are accelerating...
Close but it is "only" 23.88% (0.34462 vs 0.27818). The other rate periods have less than an increase which impact the people rate arbitraging with Export Everything and Charge From Grid. At $0.34462 that may change the dynamic for DC fast charging outside of the home versus in-home charging for some. The rate at the Tesla SuperCharger I used in Roseville last week was only $0.29.Isn't that a 26% increase? Like wtf... are they disproportionately applying the GRC rate increase to whack certain customers more? Presumably people with EVs also tend to be higher income. Many people don't have solar arrays that cover 100% of their annual consumption.
EV2 Period | Jan'24 | Sep'23 | Increase |
---|---|---|---|
Summer-Peak | 0.65713 | 0.59068 | 11.25% |
Summer-Part | 0.54664 | 0.48019 | 13.84% |
Summer-Off | 0.34462 | 0.27818 | 23.88% |
Winter-Peak | 0.53002 | 0.46357 | 14.33% |
Winter-Part | 0.51332 | 0.44687 | 14.87% |
Winter-Off | 0.34462 | 0.27818 | 23.88% |
E-TOU-C Period | Baseline+ Jan'24 | Baseline+ Sep'23 | Increase | <Baseline Jan'24 | <Baseline Sep'24 | Increase |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Summer-Peak | 0.61806 | 0.53933 | 14.60% | 0.51250 | 0.45082 | 13.68% |
Summer-Off Peak | 0.53462 | 0.45589 | 17.27% | 0.42906 | 0.36738 | 16.79% |
Winter-Peak | 0.51536 | 0.43662 | 18.03% | 0.40980 | 0.34811 | 17.72% |
Winter-Off Peak | 0.48701 | 0.40827 | 19.29% | 0.38145 | 0.31976 | 19.29% |
Close but it is "only" 23.88% (0.34462 vs 0.27818). The other rate periods have less than an increase which impact the people rate arbitraging with Export Everything and Charge From Grid. At $0.34462 that may change the dynamic for DC fast charging outside of the home versus in-home charging for some. The rate at the Tesla SuperCharger I used in Roseville last week was only $0.29.
EV2 Period Jan'24 Sep'23 Increase Summer-Peak 0.65713 0.59068 11.25%Summer-Part 0.54664 0.48019 13.84%Summer-Off 0.34462 0.27818 23.88%Winter-Peak 0.53002 0.46357 14.33%Winter-Part 0.51332 0.44687 14.87%Winter-Off 0.34462 0.27818 23.88%
And for me with E-TOU-C
E-TOU-C Period Baseline+
Jan'24 Baseline+
Sep'23 Increase <Baseline
Jan'24 <Baseline
Sep'24 IncreaseSummer-Peak 0.61806 0.53933 14.60% 0.51250 0.45082 13.68%Summer-Off Peak 0.53462 0.45589 17.27% 0.42906 0.36738 16.79%Winter-Peak 0.51536 0.43662 18.03% 0.40980 0.34811 17.72%Winter-Off Peak 0.48701 0.40827 19.29% 0.38145 0.31976 19.29%
BTW, I would treat those Summer rates with a grain of salt as PG&E is already lobbying for yet another rate increase.
Only for the E-TOU-C, but I've kept PDFs of the E-TOU-D, EV2 and E-ELEC to reference when I'm interested in something. There are also historical rate Excel sheets here: Rates and TariffsDo you keep a running spreadsheet of all PG&E ETOU and EV2A rates? haha
It's a safe bet that the rates will increase again before the Summer rate season actually starts.BTW, I would treat those Summer rates with a grain of salt as PG&E is already lobbying for yet another rate increase.
Close but it is "only" 23.88% (0.34462 vs 0.27818). The other rate periods have less than an increase which impact the people rate arbitraging with Export Everything and Charge From Grid. At $0.34462 that may change the dynamic for DC fast charging outside of the home versus in-home charging for some. The rate at the Tesla SuperCharger I used in Roseville last week was only $0.29.
EV2 Period Jan'24 Sep'23 Increase Summer-Peak 0.65713 0.59068 11.25%Summer-Part 0.54664 0.48019 13.84%Summer-Off 0.34462 0.27818 23.88%Winter-Peak 0.53002 0.46357 14.33%Winter-Part 0.51332 0.44687 14.87%Winter-Off 0.34462 0.27818 23.88%
And for me with E-TOU-C
E-TOU-C Period Baseline+
Jan'24 Baseline+
Sep'23 Increase <Baseline
Jan'24 <Baseline
Sep'24 IncreaseSummer-Peak 0.61806 0.53933 14.60% 0.51250 0.45082 13.68%Summer-Off Peak 0.53462 0.45589 17.27% 0.42906 0.36738 16.79%Winter-Peak 0.51536 0.43662 18.03% 0.40980 0.34811 17.72%Winter-Off Peak 0.48701 0.40827 19.29% 0.38145 0.31976 19.29%
BTW, I would treat those Summer rates with a grain of salt as PG&E is already lobbying for yet another rate increase.
I might also add incompetence to the attributes...I mean who thinks that a high voltage insulator worn 90% of the way through a support is ok to leave for next year?:How does the low income person survive in Calif? And imo these rates have nothing to do with solar, just greed.
:How does the low income person survive in Calif? And imo these rates have nothing to do with solar, just greed.