lolachampcar
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We are now looking to determine the Rockwell number of Tesla's "head".
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We are now looking to determine the Rockwell number of Tesla's "head".
Just picked up my classic P85 from service. I did ask about this issue and if it affected my car to see how far this might extend. Tesla service confirmed that my VIN is not listed as having current output limited due to excessive wide open throttle counts.
When I first got it, I thought it meant my car wasn't affected at all (which was what the SA told me verbally). Upon closer read at home, I am not so sure it says anything other than my car isn't limited right now. Damn. Wish I had read that closer and asked for clarification. Oh well. Maybe a current P85D owner can get more info to see if we can determine how extensive this might be.
Here is the service invoice:
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You know what my point is. At least you should.
You advocated against widespread publicity on this and private lawsuits instead.
Class action needs publicity to happen. How does one raise the class without? How does one know to start a class action in the first place without publicity...
Last thing we should want is this hushed and splintered into individuals trying to get their indiduals wrongs righted individually. Even with lawyers that is totally disproportionate.
With publicity Tesla also at least has a chance to right this before it gets very serious...
And if not, the more people hear of this in public, the more know to join in.
The person who insisted on the "publicity", clearly didn't have as his goal attracting the attention of Lieff, Cabraser, Herman & Bernstein.
That his "publicity campaign" did so attract the attention of such a high powered and "blood thirsty" law firm, and in fact in short order, is a side effect that both you, and I, will have to learn to appreciate, now isn't it?
Good (or even average) attorneys will not limit discovery to just these three counters. I wonder if Tesla has considered what happens when their other "protection" mechanisms are made a matter of public record?
And you were so against getting the lawyers involved.
Glad to see that the hardness of your own skull was less than you had let on.
Perhaps it wasn't his goal,
I feel you are misquoting a lot of this past thread to suit your narrative. People were opposing your view that publicity should be suppressed and replaced by invidual lawsuits.
That is a far cry from public class action. Completely separate things. IMO class action is much closer to "public pressure" than it is to your idea of private lawyer dealing with Tesla.
There's no "perhaps" in it.
It most certainly was not his goal. So to heap praise on his efforts for it having come to this, is like ridiculous.
This is hardly what he wanted, nor what the intent of his effort was.
However even though, I never agreed with his intent, while the potential benefit of his questionable effort, through perhaps the strongest pressure there is, legal pressure, a form of pressure which he did not seek, is an unintended side effect that I'll take. But I never will under any circumstances "thank" him or give him credit for such.
His effort was never, ever intended to, but it did attract a capable law firm which has the means of forcing the issue.
And legal action, strong legal
pressure, was something which I had long advocated in this thread as the most effective means of getting this matter resolved and Tesla's position on it reversed.
That his efforts, in an unintended way has seemingly lead to that, is a by product that I won't turn down.
I never ruled out individual nor class action lawsuits.
I earlier stated that if this matter ever hit me, that I was prepared to go it alone.
If my individual legal action were to evolve from that, well then so be it.
So no, you're mistaken.
At any rate at the end of the day, you can argue all you like, I couldn't give a rat's ass for your argument.
The fact is, irrespective of how it came about , FINALLY, what I advocated earlier, legal pressure, is being seen as a viable option, indeed the best option, by more in here than when I first advocated it.
My message, whether you like it or not, has finally sunk in.
And there's not a damn thing that you or anyone else in here can do about it, because you've finally sobered up and realized that no, Tesla isn't budging" on this matter. And won't until the lawyers step in. There is no more denying that.
Now to ahead and "dislike" that.
My point is this: I feel a lot of us in this thread are advocating for publicity despite the fact that it may result in side-effects. We know it does and it can. Same with the trolls and seekingalphas and whatnot - we know publicity stirs them as well. Many of us still think publicity is the better course to taking things private and to an individual lawsuit, despite of this. Other owners need to know, that is the right thing to do. And publicity does have the potential of creating pressure that leads to making things right more pro-actively than slowly through courts.
Nobody is asking you to. But the fact remains, without publicity many people who now know, would never have known.
Publicity attracts many kinds of pressure. That was the idea for many of us, I think. The law firm has no case if Tesla simply makes this right. There is no case yet. An individual lawsuit would not have such an effect, even though it might allow for an individual resolution down the road.
The specific kind you advocated was taking this out of the public eye and into an individual lawsuit. A lot of us disagreed on that very specific difference - not on having lawyers as one tool in the toolbox in general, but the notion that one should remain private on the matter and merely employ their own lawyer(s) on the case.
Do you want this matter resolved or do you want to argue "chicken or egg"?
That's the problem with some of us in here. We can't see the forest for the trees.
Here we are standing on the cusp of actually getting something done about this matter. and you want to argue over bovine residue.
Again, do you want this matter resolved or not?
Again, the record for a v1 car in the wild was 11.22 with the stock 21 inch tires and wheels and pano roof.The car cannot do 10's in the quarter at 1500A, period. Motortrend car was a cheater car.