AMPd
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It shouldn’t be free at any time, tesla can’t foot the bill for millions of cars that’ll be hitting the road in 10 yearsThey would still be able to charge, it just wouldn't be free.
Pay per use is the only fair way
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It shouldn’t be free at any time, tesla can’t foot the bill for millions of cars that’ll be hitting the road in 10 yearsThey would still be able to charge, it just wouldn't be free.
I once had a checker at a Safeway offer me something for “free”; some sort of edible substance wrapped in a package. It looked like junk to me, not what I call “food”. I declined. The checker said “but it’s free!”. I said “I don’t care.”I remember someone said that in marketing, the most powerful word to use is "Free". I don't know if that's true or not because I am an engineer. But I know the "free" is very powerful in the office kitchen for engineers. If it is "free", people will eat it!
You are assuming those of us (retired) living in older condo developments have community charging, or a even a garage. Not true.Locals shouldn’t be using it.
There are other charge points you can use. Tesla SC’s are there for people making long trips not for locals to clog them up.You are assuming those of us (retired) living in older condo developments have community charging, or a even a garage. Not true.
There are other charge points you can use. Tesla SC’s are there for people making long trips not for locals to clog them up.
Now, as part of our commitment to make Tesla ownership easy for everyone, including those without immediate access to home or workplace charging, we are expanding our Supercharger network into city centers, starting with downtown Chicago and Boston.
Excuse me I have a written contract with Tesla guaranteeing free lifetime charging for my 2015 Model S.It shouldn’t be free at any time, tesla can’t foot the bill for millions of cars that’ll be hitting the road in 10 years
Pay per use is the only fair way
Yeah me tooExcuse me I have a written contract with Tesla guaranteeing free lifetime charging for my 2015 Model S.
Agreed, that is very misleading. If anything, given the ease of using the GPS-aware charging function built into the car, one should compare to the LOWEST rates. I charge at home, with the car aware that it is to start charging at 12:01 am. 9 cents per kWh on the EV-TOU5 plan from SDG&E.You can’t say it’s cheaper and then give me the highest rate. What about off peak?
The 9 cents is a little misleading too. There is a $16 flat fee that you have to pay every month. How does the $16 change your cost per kWh? I'm curious since I haven't changed to TOU5 yet. I'm still on the tiered plan...Agreed, that is very misleading. If anything, given the ease of using the GPS-aware charging function built into the car, one should compare to the LOWEST rates. I charge at home, with the car aware that it is to start charging at 12:01 am. 9 cents per kWh on the EV-TOU5 plan from SDG&E.
That $16 applies to all my electric usage, not just charging the car. Difference between TOU2 and TOU5 at super off peak = 23 cents per kWh vs. 9 cents per kWh. That's a savings of 14 cents per kWh. My last bill showed 503 kWh of super off-peak usage, due primarily to charging the car between 12:01 am and about 1:30 am. That's a $70 difference (503 x 0.14). So by paying that $16, I'm actually coming out ahead by $54 (vs. TOU2, which is what I used to have).The 9 cents is a little misleading too. There is a $16 flat fee that you have to pay every month. How does the $16 change your cost per kWh? I'm curious since I haven't changed to TOU5 yet. I'm still on the tiered plan...
So to be completely accurate we are talking 11.1 cents per kWh. Still a helluva deal compared to both supercharging and any other TOU plan and a far cry from the highest on-peak TOU rate of 53 cents per kWh, or even the 41 cents per kWh someone quoted earlier in this thread.
Thanks for the info! I'll have to check out TOU5 soon...That $16 applies to all my electric usage, not just charging the car. Difference between TOU2 and TOU5 at super off peak = 23 cents per kWh vs. 9 cents per kWh. That's a savings of 14 cents per kWh. My last bill showed 503 kWh of super off-peak usage, due primarily to charging the car between 12:01 am and about 1:30 am. That's a $70 difference (503 x 0.14). So by paying that $16, I'm actually coming out ahead by $54 (vs. TOU2, which is what I used to have).
My bill also showed a total kWh usage of about 750. So $16 / 750 = about 2.1 cents per kWh regardless of time of use.
So to be completely accurate we are talking 11.1 cents per kWh. Still a helluva deal compared to both supercharging (if you have to pay for it) and any other TOU plan and a far cry from the highest on-peak TOU rate of 53 cents per kWh, or even the 41 cents per kWh someone quoted earlier in this thread.
I'd recommend making the switch to TOU5. $16 works out to 53 cents per day. Negligible compared to the savings.
Why should I pay for charging elsewhere that is already included in the price of my car?There are other charge points you can use. Tesla SC’s are there for people making long trips not for locals to clog them up.