FarmerDave
Member
I agree with your thinking. It would provide more communication than I've received from Tesla...
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I agree with your thinking. It would provide more communication than I've received from Tesla...
Zapped
Model S - PURE EV
FlatSix911
Porsche 918 Hybrid
Mark Z
Active Member
Wow, am I glad I took time off from this thread to visit the service center delivery location, open today. Please send the heat of the earlier discussion to SoCal, we are getting Frozen by Elsa recently.
The lips are frozen shut at the delivery location too. No word on my Model X status on Sunday; I can appreciate a sacred day of rest as well.
In the end, the entire ordering, information update and delivery experience is what interests me as much as taking delivery.
The lips are frozen shut at the delivery location too. No word on my Model X status on Sunday; I can appreciate a sacred day of rest as well.
In the end, the entire ordering, information update and delivery experience is what interests me as much as taking delivery.
dirkhh
Middle-aged Member
Mark Z
Active Member
Reading reports from others across the forum spectrum gives one logical answer: the Model X arrivals at the SC need some work. It appears to be work that may be variable. Some vehicles could be unwrapped, tested, modified, cleaned and inspected quickly. Others may take more time once the process starts. Even if my Model X is sitting in the locked service bay (hidden from all to see with no glass windows for visitors to look through) it may take several days once the process starts.
IMHO, the arrival of Model X is the first time some service technicians and delivery specialists get their hands on a Model X. A bit of learning, training and testing is inevitable; that would take time. However, at this time of year, I would ask Tesla to please get the deliveries out the door with a punch list so the buyers can get the tax credit. I would gladly let Tesla Motors work on the punch list items early next year.
One more thing... Many wrapped Model S just off the truck last week and parked in the used lot are all gone. Three new Model S were jammed in the "delivery room" ready for customer pickup. The Tesla Store area was very busy and the product specialists were helping new customers learn about Model S on the showroom floor. It was very busy for a Sunday with the used lot well stocked (was almost empty two weeks ago). IMHO, everyone is working hard to get as many vehicles sold, ordered and delivered as quickly as possible.
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Mark, If you up against the wall 'tax wise'. If you have paid for the vehicle and insured it you could be 'deemed' to have taken possession. It is a gray area for sure but it is what I was prepared to do with my 'D' last year that came in just under the Dec 31st deadline. I certainly don't want to get anyone in trouble with the IRS but I have a very conservative accountant (CPA) and that was his advice to me.
Mark Z
Active Member
I will randomly keep trying to get Model X in my sights. The results will be unique. While the DS offered to repeat my last personal delivery, this time it's about new venues for all to access. While I may occasionally enjoy the view from the mountaintop, I'd rather see buyers in seats that view the world through Tesla windshields. The original delivery speaks volumes: http://www.hybridcars.com/tesla-delivers-anywhere-61301/
Thanks for the advice. It wasn't necessary to take such measures in 2010 for a Chevrolet Volt delivery on Dec 30. A preview peek before unwrapping occurred on Dec 28 with a walk around on Dec 29. That wonderful EV was Crystal Red and was only a taste of the larger Model S Signature Red and soon an even more spacious Model X Signature Red. The dream of driving electrically is now a reality throughout the country, and in the future, the world.
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Zapped
Model S - PURE EV
My understanding, after having dealt with this same issue with my Model S (arrived Jan 4 after being build, shipped and paid for in December) and the conclusion I came to is that the tax deduction is taken when the vehicle is "put in service." Section 1, line 3. I'm a lawyer, not an accountant. I don't even do tax law. In this case, however, I'd advise you to get a second opinion. I imagine it'll be really easy for the IRS to double check with DMV paperwork when you took delivery of the car.
dirkhh
Middle-aged Member
Sadly, the harsh logic of "making the numbers" says that if it takes a lot longer to get a Model X prepped than a Model S prepped... they need to get as many Model S out as possible and wait until all that's done until they focus on the Model X.
It makes me cringe to post this, but it seems to make rational sense.
Correct. It is a VERY gray area and I would check with your accountant before taking physical possession. I do believe 'put in service' has no gray area if you have physically taken possession regardless of whether you have been to your local DMV. IIRC the 'paper tag' that was placed in my back window was a registration from Cali with my name on it.
Mark Z
Active Member
Yes that is possible, that is why I added the positive news that fresh arrivals of Model S last week appear to be delivered. The new product (clearly visible) has been reduced.
Another positive spin is that my DS is a SDES (Senior Delivery Experience Specialist) who also handles deliveries from the original SC. So he already has Model X experience with delivery. That helps, and he is looking forward to this delivery. I just hope we have some breathing room by taking delivery before noon, soon.
UPDATE: More data gleaned from asking a lot of questions. This is a summary and may not apply for others. While trains are used for long hauls towards the east, those small covered transports you see in the videos are used for the deliveries from Fremont. No eight car carriers that could speed things up. Third party companies are not as reliable, so delivery schedules can be missed (especially on holidays). While slowness of delivery may be frustrating, the Model X does arrive in excellent condition.
Now, back to Random Model X sightings...
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Except in some peculiar factual situations, yes, actually having the car will suffice. You don't even have to have driven it as long as it is available for the purpose for which it was purchased.
This is an interesting example from an IRS publication: "Example 3. James Elm is a building contractor who specializes in constructing office buildings. He bought a truck last year that had to be modified to lift materials to second-story levels. The installation of the lifting equip- ment was completed and James accepted delivery of the modified truck on January 10 of this year. The truck was placed in service on January 10, the date it was ready and available to perform the function for which it was bought."
I really struggle to come up with an example where one would have a passenger vehicle and yet it wasn't available to be used for the purpose for which it was intended.
Cyclone
Cyclonic Member ((.oO))
Lyon, to me that reads the IRS views the in-service date not being when the truck was bought and could be driven as a passenger vehicle, but when it's modification was complete and could be use to lift equipment. So he "bought the truck" in December X, but couldn't use it until January X+1.
Basically, like buying a car and paying for it (loan, check, cash, etc.), I view this as two transactions. Purchasing the truck unmodified and accepting delivery of the modified truck. For the IRS example, it is the conclusion of the second transaction that sets be in-service date even though the truck could have been used briefly to transport passengers prior to modification.
But I am not a lawyer or accountant, nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
Basically, like buying a car and paying for it (loan, check, cash, etc.), I view this as two transactions. Purchasing the truck unmodified and accepting delivery of the modified truck. For the IRS example, it is the conclusion of the second transaction that sets be in-service date even though the truck could have been used briefly to transport passengers prior to modification.
But I am not a lawyer or accountant, nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
Wow!! Great video. This car is really a crowd puller. Kids are going to love it so much. As will the adults do too.
Hmmm. lol. I had to dig so deep among the random topics in this thread to get to this post.
Lyon, to me that reads the IRS views the in-service date not being when the truck was bought and could be driven as a passenger vehicle, but when it's modification was complete and could be use to lift equipment. So he "bought the truck" in December X, but couldn't use it until January X+1.
Basically, like buying a car and paying for it (loan, check, cash, etc.), I view this as two transactions. Purchasing the truck unmodified and accepting delivery of the modified truck. For the IRS example, it is the conclusion of the second transaction that sets be in-service date even though the truck could have been used briefly to transport passengers prior to modification.
But I am not a lawyer or accountant, nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
Right, the point of the example is that the in service date will depend on what the thing was bought to do because until it's fit for such a thing it's not in service. There was another example about a machine having been delivered in December but not hooked up until January. It was in service in January. The truck in the example above was purchased to put stuff on the second floor and was not able to do so until January; in service in January.
Basically, if you've got your Model X in December, unless some condition exists that would prevent it's use as a passenger vehicle (no DMV registration maybe) it's deemed in service in December. It really doesn't seem to have much to do with when the thing was paid for, built, ordered or shipped. All that really matters is, could one use it for it's intended function? It's got to be both available for use and fit for that function. If you've paid for it, it's titled in your name and you've got the key but the thing is still on the delivery truck at 12:01am on Jan 1, 2016, the thing isn't in service in 2015.
TL;DR version: Take the tax credit for the year in which you've got the car and could actually drive it.
DDG!
Member
Per IRS Pub. 946: "You place property in service when it is ready and available for a specific use, whether in a business activity, an income-producing activity, a tax-exempt activity, or a personal activity. Even if you are not using the property, it is in service when it is ready and available for its specific use."
My tax CPA brain (with two law degrees) says this means "upon delivery" if purchased by an individual for personal use.
However, none of my fellow forum members are my tax clients --- and therefore you'll need to obtain your own separate advice.
My tax CPA brain (with two law degrees) says this means "upon delivery" if purchased by an individual for personal use.
However, none of my fellow forum members are my tax clients --- and therefore you'll need to obtain your own separate advice.
model Xs at the SLC Service Center at this very moment. :biggrin: (Consider that smilie face to count as about 50 of them!) Two blacks & a white. They put this one into the back yard while I was there because it was "getting too much attention" ! :biggrin
50 more) but seriously, although I took a few pics, they calmly requested that I not post them anywhere. Got one VIN it's a prime # between zero and 1000.oops, I double checked, not a prime #, but attached to that vehicle, believe me, it's prime :wink:
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