Rare Find - 2013 P85+ Only 8600 Mile

[Mcseyk1]

Hi Forum,

I am new to forum and Tesla. So I have a very low mileage Mercedes S560 AMG and was looking for a 2nd car to use as a commuter car for work (60 miles round trip). I knew I wanted a Model S P85 because of the room; it has a driver's dash and an 85K battery. So I ventured to look for a low-mileage P85, and my budget was between $30K-$35K. Well, I think I lucked out and found a rare find/deal.

I end up finding and buying a 2013 P85+ with only 8600 original miles with the following specs:

• Pearl White Multi-Coat
• Sunroof
• Performance Plus Pkg
• Smart Air Suspension
• Pearl White Multi-Coat
• 21" Silver Turbine wheels (Staggered) w/Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 tires (6/32 thread on all tires)
• Black leather/Suede seats with red piping
• Carbon Fiber interior
• Carbon Fiber Spoiler
• Cream Alcantar headliner
• Sub-zero package
• Tech Package
• Rear Face Jump Seats
• Premium high-fidelity sound
• Twin onboard Chargers (I see 80A)
• High Power Charger
• Free Unlimited Supercharging
• Premium Connectivity Free Unlimited
• Clean Carfax (1 owner)

The car is basically new, with no wear and tear on either the interior or exterior. I charged the car to 100% to check the battery's health, and the estimated range was 260 (I will cap the charge at 80%) Again, the all tire thread is between 6/32 and 7/32.

So here is the back story of why this 2013 P85+ has exceptionally low mileage. This car belonged to Dan, and Tanya Synder, the owners of the Washington Redskins, and they kept it garaged as he is a car collector. (The profile on the screen still said Tanya.) The owner of the Dealership (VA/DC area) where I brought the car had to reach out to (Dan/Tanya to remove ownership; the transfer took 24 hours to be assigned to me.

With tags and tax, I paid $39,900 (actually $36,500,. So the questions I have for the forum are:

• Was this a good price? I checked KBB it has it in the $42K-$46K
• Is there anything else I should be checking for?
• I would love to her some thoughts

My only concern is there is no warranty, but I figured with the low miles, wear and tear and who previously owned it, it was worth a taken a chance. It was driven over 9 years, so I assume if something needed to be replaced, it would have already. I have an appointment with Tesla on 12/23 to check the car, so I will see if I can get the Tesla Service history. I have driven it for a week now and can't find any issues, and the handling is superb (Remember, I am coming from a 2020 S560 AMG line that I refuse to part with). I bit the Tesla bug, and thus far, I am impressed and don't regret it. (at least not yet )

• I will be doing the MCU2 upgrade.

Thanks to all in advance, and indulging me in this long post!

Here is a Flickr video of the car

https://flic.kr/p/2o5EBG8

and below are some pictures

 

[ElectricIAC]

But is it actually certified preowned?

 

[Mcseyk1]

But is it actually certified preowned?

Not from Tesla - I brought it from a reputable non-Tesla dealership. Thank you for your response.

Kind Regards,

 

[ElectricIAC]

Looks clean!

Does it still have FUSC?

 

[Mcseyk1]

Looks clean!

Does it still have FUSC?

Yes, It still has FUSC (That is what I have been using all this week). In total honesty, I had to look up the FUSC acronym Thanks for being the 1st to reply to my 1st post

 

[WallysRide]

Look up the thread in this forum on "Preventative Maintenance of HV Battery" - your car is old enough that it will have the AC condensate draining directly on top of your HV battery, and your battery is old enough that it won't be as well protected from the water. This can be addressed proactively by rerouting the drain. In your case, I would definitely do it.

 

[RandyS]

Over time, one of the things that can contribute to the failure of your large performance drive unit is coolant incursion into the electric portion of the motor. Here is a video that shows how to check the speed sensor on the drive unit to see if coolant has made its way inside. If there is evidence of coolant, then a rebuild of the drive unit with new seals will save the drive unit. If moisture goes unchecked, then the motor portion of the drive unit will eventually fail...

Probably the biggest issue I had with my 2013 P85 was fairly quick inner rear tire wear due to the large amount of negative camber on the factory suspension. The recommendation that I would make would be to get some aftermarket camber arms for the rear and have them installed. The aftermarket arms will allow you to reduce the negative camber and keep the tires from wearing quickly on the inside. Just going from memory, making the adjustable arms about 0.25" longer reduced the camber from just over -2 degrees to about -0.25 degrees or so, which was very beneficial for the rear tire wear...

By the way, the upgrade to MCU2 is a great upgrade and will revitalize the user interface of the car. Very much recommended.

Best of luck with your car...

 

[sorka]

Yes, It still has FUSC (That is what I have been using all this week). In total honesty, I had to look up the FUSC acronym Thanks for being the 1st to reply to my 1st post

If you're buying it from a third party dealer then the FUSC will be removed in as little as a couple of months and as long as 6 months depending on how long it takes Tesla to see the change of ownership.

If you're buying it from a private party and it hasn't recently been bought by them from third party dealer and hasn't gone through an auction, then have them sign into their account and navigate to the page for that vehicle. Right click on the vehicle image under the "details" link and select open image in new tab/page. View the URL of that image and verify that it has the option code of SC01 somewhere in the URL.

If it was sold to them by a third party dealer or passed through any auction, it won't matter if SC01 is present at this moment. It will eventually be removed and the replaced with SC04.

 

[Mcseyk1]

Look up the thread in this forum on "Preventative Maintenance of HV Battery" - your car is old enough that it will have the AC condensate draining directly on top of your HV battery, and your battery is old enough that it won't be as well protected from the water. This can be addressed proactively by rerouting the drain. In your case, I would definitely do it.

Thank you so much. I will definitely look into rerouting. Is it something I can do myself?

King Regards

 

[Mcseyk1]

Over time, one of the things that can contribute to the failure of your large performance drive unit is coolant incursion into the electric portion of the motor. Here is a video that shows how to check the speed sensor on the drive unit to see if coolant has made its way inside. If there is evidence of coolant, then a rebuild of the drive unit with new seals will save the drive unit. If moisture goes unchecked, then the motor portion of the drive unit will eventually fail...

Probably the biggest issue I had with my 2013 P85 was fairly quick inner rear tire wear due to the large amount of negative camber on the factory suspension. The recommendation that I would make would be to get some aftermarket camber arms for the rear and have them installed. The aftermarket arms will allow you to reduce the negative camber and keep the tires from wearing quickly on the inside. Just going from memory, making the adjustable arms about 0.25" longer reduced the camber from just over -2 degrees to about -0.25 degrees or so, which was very beneficial for the rear tire wear...

By the way, the upgrade to MCU2 is a great upgrade and will revitalize the user interface of the car. Very much recommended.

Best of luck with your car...

Thanks for the reply and will take a look at the video. I heard nothing but good things about the MCU2 upgrade

Kind Regards

 

[Mcseyk1]

If you're buying it from a third party dealer then the FUSC will be removed in as little as a couple of months and as long as 6 months depending on how long it takes Tesla to see the change of ownership.

If you're buying it from a private party and it hasn't recently been bought by them from third party dealer and hasn't gone through an auction, then have them sign into their account and navigate to the page for that vehicle. Right click on the vehicle image under the "details" link and select open image in new tab/page. View the URL of that image and verify that it has the option code of SC01 somewhere in the URL.

If it was sold to them by a third party dealer or passed through any auction, it won't matter if SC01 is present at this moment. It will eventually be removed and the replaced with SC04.

Thanks for all of your replies. The car was sold directly to the dealership by the first owner. Never was part of any auction. Tesla successful change the ownership to me at the request for the original owner, and looking at my account it says Free unlimited SC. I have been using the free SC for the last week and Half. Are you saying that Tesla will eventually take it away?

Thanks

 

[sorka]

Thanks for all of your replies. The car was sold directly to the dealership by the first owner. Never was part of any auction. Tesla successful change the ownership to me at the request for the original owner, and looking at my account it says Free unlimited SC. I have been using the free SC for the last week and Half. Are you saying that Tesla will eventually take it away?

Thanks

Dozens of threads like this:

FUSC if bought from third party dealee

Hi, I'm looking at purchasing a 2016 Model S from a third party dealership (not directly from Tesla) If it shoes just one previous owner, does this mean that I should still have free unlimited supercharging after I buy it or does it get deactivated? I'm a little confused since many threads say...

teslamotorsclub.com

It's been argued. Some have bought from 3rd party dealers with SC01 only to have it change to SC04 later. In some cases, it turns out the dealer liked about it not being bought at auction. In others, it appears that the dealer really did acquire it from a private party. There's one post that had a screen shot a response from Tesla that claimed that any third party dealer possession will result in removing FUSC. I don't have time to search for it but it's worth noting that others in that thread pointed out that the customer service rep could have been mistaken.

How to check if your Tesla has Free Supercharging

Free Supercharging is one of Tesla's most well-known bonuses, and it's a program that has influenced many people to consider Tesla as a feasible road trip alternative. Tesla's Free Supercharging (formerly Unlimited Free Supercharging) helped put the real-world cost of owning a Tesla more...

talsem.com

"If you buy a Tesla from a third-party dealer, you will not receive Free Unlimited Supercharging. Tesla dislikes the idea of third-party dealers in the first place, so they made sure there was no further motivation for dealers to steal new or used inventory with this functionality."

Does Free Supercharging Transfer When You Sell Your Tesla?

Does Free Supercharging transfer when you sell a used Tesla? What if you buy from a dealer? Or another 3rd party? Answer those questions and more here!

www.findmyelectric.com

"Tesla also occasionally strips the Free Unlimited Supercharging promotion from 3rd party dealership sales. Even if the Model S or Model X has kept Free Unlimited Supercharging in the past, Tesla may remove the option upon the transfer of the vehicle between private parties if a dealership has at some point been involved or if the vehicle has been up for auction. However, some Tesla-informed dealerships claim that this occurrence is rare and report that transfer-eligible Teslas sold through them have had no problems in transferring Free Unlimited Supercharging to the next owner. "

 

[Mcseyk1]

Dozens of threads like this:

FUSC if bought from third party dealee

Hi, I'm looking at purchasing a 2016 Model S from a third party dealership (not directly from Tesla) If it shoes just one previous owner, does this mean that I should still have free unlimited supercharging after I buy it or does it get deactivated? I'm a little confused since many threads say...

teslamotorsclub.com

It's been argued. Some have bought from 3rd party dealers with SC01 only to have it change to SC04 later. In some cases, it turns out the dealer liked about it not being bought at auction. In others, it appears that the dealer really did acquire it from a private party. There's one post that had a screen shot a response from Tesla that claimed that any third party dealer possession will result in removing FUSC. I don't have time to search for it but it's worth noting that others in that thread pointed out that the customer service rep could have been mistaken.

How to check if your Tesla has Free Supercharging

Free Supercharging is one of Tesla's most well-known bonuses, and it's a program that has influenced many people to consider Tesla as a feasible road trip alternative. Tesla's Free Supercharging (formerly Unlimited Free Supercharging) helped put the real-world cost of owning a Tesla more...

talsem.com

"If you buy a Tesla from a third-party dealer, you will not receive Free Unlimited Supercharging. Tesla dislikes the idea of third-party dealers in the first place, so they made sure there was no further motivation for dealers to steal new or used inventory with this functionality."

Does Free Supercharging Transfer When You Sell Your Tesla?

Does Free Supercharging transfer when you sell a used Tesla? What if you buy from a dealer? Or another 3rd party? Answer those questions and more here!

www.findmyelectric.com

"Tesla also occasionally strips the Free Unlimited Supercharging promotion from 3rd party dealership sales. Even if the Model S or Model X has kept Free Unlimited Supercharging in the past, Tesla may remove the option upon the transfer of the vehicle between private parties if a dealership has at some point been involved or if the vehicle has been up for auction. However, some Tesla-informed dealerships claim that this occurrence is rare and report that transfer-eligible Teslas sold through them have had no problems in transferring Free Unlimited Supercharging to the next owner. "

Thanks for the information, I guess time will tell. FUSC wasn't a major factor for me.

However, as of now, my Tesla account still says SC01. Though it was purchased at a non-tesla dealership, the dealership never took ownership of my car, or in other words, the ownership of the car was never transferred to the dealership (through Tesla eyes) it remained with the original owner. After I purchased the vehicle, The dealership contacted the original owner, who worked with Tesla to transfer the car to me. It took about a day and half.

Again, time will tell, but for now I am SC'g for free. And if they remove it, it still cheaper then filling up my S-Class.

Thanks to all, once again!

 

[thesmokingman]

You just have to live dangerously huh?

 

[WallysRide]

Thank you so much. I will definitely look into rerouting. Is it something I can do myself?

King Regards

In that same thread on Preventative Maintenance of HV Battery, there are a few owners who describe how they did it themselves. I believe it is easier to DIY on the RWD models.

 

[WallysRide]

Here's the thread:

Vendor - Preventative Maintenance regarding Battery Failures in early Model S vehicles (2012-2014)

There are some definite trends with early battery packs failing in earlier Model S vehicles... from day 1 builds up to about Q4'2014 and some even Q1'2015... and any cars that have had Tesla-refurbished packs installed. The issues are all pretty much the same thing in one form or another...

teslamotorsclub.com

 

[JimmyB]

Congrats on the purchase! Always fun to have an interesting car with an interesting story.

As well as the battery / condensate drain and the drive unit thing, you might consider having the sunroof seal replaced preventatively. They updated the design in 2015 or 2016, so if you have the original seal it will eventually fail and leak. And be prepared for eventual door handle failure if yours haven't been replaced / updated, but I gather it's relatively simple to replace with the latest versions.

Also consider an X-care warranty for peace of mind, and / or an 057tech battery plan. But more than anything else, enjoy the car!

(and you'll be fine on the FUSC thing - I'll bet a six pack on it).

 

[tesluv108]

You found a real gem here. The ownership history alone makes this car more valuable. While not as famous as Jay Leno, Snyder is definitely very well known. I remember the Jay Leno car going to action and fetching well above market value. Also 8,000 miles is amazing. While there has been PLENTY of debate about Tesla battery degradation, it appears yours is either replaced or shows zero sign of calendar aging. You can join tessie and see what your degradation is because I’m very curious. There just isn’t any way imo an original 85kwh battery can be showing 260 nearly 10 years later. In fact I owned a vin in 12k range and I never recall it showing over 250. It was a low mileage vehicle as well. I bet the original sticker on this car was 128k. Regarding no warranty hopefully you won’t run into any huge issues. I know there are people on this forum that say avoid 2012 and 2013 models because they were plagued with problems. Time will tell if you will have these or if they are related to much more driving activity. PS I bought a 2015 model s this year with 4300 miles on it. Probably similar situation except the former owner of my car isn’t famous. I had a repair within 1.5 months of owning the car the coolant heater failed. Instead of a goodwil repair made by Tesla they charged me $200 to use the extended service. I thought this was questionable with 5,xxx miles on the car. Regardless I love the model s and you will be very happy with it. It’s an extraordinary car and far superior to the 3, especially for what you paid.

 

[Mcseyk1]

Congrats on the purchase! Always fun to have an interesting car with an interesting story.

As well as the battery / condensate drain and the drive unit thing, you might consider having the sunroof seal replaced preventatively. They updated the design in 2015 or 2016, so if you have the original seal it will eventually fail and leak. And be prepared for eventual door handle failure if yours haven't been replaced / updated, but I gather it's relatively simple to replace with the latest versions.

Also consider an X-care warranty for peace of mind, and / or an 057tech battery plan. But more than anything else, enjoy the car!

(and you'll be fine on the FUSC thing - I'll bet a six pack on it).

Thanks for the wonderful insight, and the vote of confidence in the FUSC. I have been looking at the X-care warranty. I am not familiar with 057Tech battery plan, but will take a look.

Is X-care one of the better warranty companies for Tesla?

Thanks, once again.

Kind Regards

 

[golferguy]

Nice find. But if the tires are original, you must change them. Tires degrade over time. Don't risk your life and the car by using those tires.