Real world M3 RWD (standard battery) Range

[yogi799]

HI everyone, i cannot believe i do not see such a thread anywhere and even a sticky... So at the risk of being flamed, i will post and ask.

Just got my 2023 M3 RWD std LFP battery, Charging to 100%.

I knew range would be NOT as advertised (i fully understand it, never believed anywhere close to 430km) and likely dismal but not THAT dismal. Talking about winter here too. Around freezing mark to make it simple. I am getting HALF of what is advertised... yes, winter.. but still...

I am lucky to get 240 km on 100% charge. What are you getting? Of course it is estimated based on real driving since we never deplete to zero. Ok so I would get ~220 km only if arriving with some small peace of mind (say 10% left). Is that right or is my M3 battery broken? Mix of roads, all three types. (My avg consumption shows at around 190 wh/km but i would rather focus on real km range here since today for example it was extremely windy and i burned 240 wh/km and nearly got stuck, thanks).

 

[Casmium]

There is a lot of things that will change the real world range.

Was that one long trip vs many short trips, if it was many short trips then the car cooling down and heating each time would use a lot of range.

There will be a very big difference in range driving 130 vs 100

Did you change to 100, then leave it to get cold overnight and then start driving.

Slush and snow vs dry roads makes a noticeable difference.

 

[yogi799]

There is a lot of things that will change the real world range.

Was that one long trip vs many short trips, if it was many short trips then the car cooling down and heating each time would use a lot of range.

There will be a very big difference in range driving 130 vs 100

Did you change to 100, then leave it to get cold overnight and then start driving.

Slush and snow vs dry roads makes a noticeable difference.

I understand all that and not looking for what causes dismal range. I am looking for YOUR GUYS' Range with real numbers.

 

[Randy-12]

HI everyone, i cannot believe i do not see such a thread anywhere and even a sticky... So at the risk of being flamed, i will post and ask.

Just got my 2023 M3 RWD std LFP battery, Charging to 100%.

I knew range would be NOT as advertised (i fully understand it, never believed anywhere close to 430km) and likely dismal but not THAT dismal. Talking about winter here too. Around freezing mark to make it simple. I am getting HALF of what is advertised... yes, winter.. but still...

I am lucky to get 240 km on 100% charge. What are you getting? Of course it is estimated based on real driving since we never deplete to zero. Ok so I would get ~220 km only if arriving with some small peace of mind (say 10% left). Is that right or is my M3 battery broken? Mix of roads, all three types. (My avg consumption shows at around 190 wh/km but i would rather focus on real km range here since today for example it was extremely windy and i burned 240 wh/km and nearly got stuck, thanks).

Lots of threads on this

Here is a big one.

Model 3 SR+ LFP Battery Range, Degradation, etc Discussion

Now that LFP batteries have been operating for a couple months in the US, I thought it would be useful to start a thread for people to post their experiences with degradation of LFP batteries. A major benefit of these batteries is supposed to be resistant to degradation, so let's test that claim...

teslamotorsclub.com

Have a look at this section of the forum for more

Model 3: Battery & Charging

range, battery & charger options, charge time, HPWC

teslamotorsclub.com

 

[yogi799]

Thanks. I just looked, none of these threads answer the question stated in my title. They don't discuss real world winter range. They talk about the range displayed (incorrect) and don't mention winter.

So my thread would merit existence i presume. I simply didn't find anything specific like this and I thank it matters..

 

[Vawlkus]

Speaking for my Model X (not the same obviously) I rarely see more than 10% loss during winter.

TBH, range drops like that are almost never the car or the battery, but a drain being brought about by other factors. Excess speed is usually a big one, terrain is another. Even stuff like Sentry mode can drop range if you have enough events while parked. *shrug*
Too many variables and too little info to give you any real answer.

 

[Casmium]

I understand all that and not looking for what causes dismal range. I am looking for YOUR GUYS' Range with real numbers.

Model 3 LR, winter around 0 degrees, if many short trips about 4km-10km each, I've gotten as poor as 140km on a charge, best case on one long trip with preheating I've gotten about 400km. So it will vary wildly depending on what you are doing.

 

[Randy-12]

Thanks. I just looked, none of these threads answer the question stated in my title. They don't discuss real world winter range. They talk about the range displayed (incorrect) and don't mention winter.

So my thread would merit existence i presume. I simply didn't find anything specific like this and I thank it matters..

Maybe one of these threads might help you.

2022 M3 with LFP Battery/Range questions in Cold Weather

I have a M3 RWD on order EDD is Jan/2023. This will be my first Tesla and I live in Philadelphia so its a colder climate but not as cold as like Chicago or Boston, etc. I understand there are many factors that affect battery range(driving habits, hilly roads, etc) but I wanted to just focus on...

teslamotorsclub.com

Model 3 SR+ LFP Battery Range, Degradation, etc Discussion

Here's a guy doing some good range testing with an LFP battery at highway speeds in -11C... not bad results actually.

teslamotorsclub.com

 

[RichAZ/CapeCod]

M3 SR LFP (picked up end of August). Did a non-stop drive from Wickenburg AZ Supercharger (100% SoC) to Green Valley AZ a month or so ago. Around 210 miles (338 km) and had a good amount remaining SoC in the car. 70~75 mph. Weather was mild.

Rich

 

[pb2000]

In warmer weather (17-20C, no AC) I can do ~280km on the highway (110km/h average) If I charge >95%.
In winter (neg 10 - 15C), I'm lucky if I see even 200km

If I tuck in behind a slow (sub 100km/h) semi truck and be a total dick in the drafting department, I can get some pretty decent gains, but I doubt even that would get me to the 384km number that Tesla pulled out of their arse.

 

[yogi799]

Jesus. ok, got some reassuring answers. Darn,. Thanks guys. So it is not just me. I didn't think so.

Yes, i drive fairly aggressively and i dont watch my speed, true. I want to enjoy driving. But again, all that was irrelevant, I wanted your real range experience. Thanks brothas. Some get decent mileage , some get crap like me. Must be the weight of the shoe LOL.

 

[yogi799]

In warmer weather (17-20C, no AC) I can do ~280km on the highway (110km/h average) If I charge >95%.
In winter (neg 10 - 15C), I'm lucky if I see even 200km

If I tuck in behind a slow (sub 100km/h) semi truck and be a total dick in the drafting department, I can get some pretty decent gains, but I doubt even that would get me to the 384km number that Tesla pulled out of their arse.

Hilarious! LOVE IT lol

And yes.. 200km for me too in Winter... 240-250 was me trying to be an optimist.

 

[yogi799]

Basically I am learning that spirited driving costs dearly in an EV. Gas car not so much. Used to have a BMW 535i 300HP turbo and aggressive driving vs being a slowpoke obstacle on the road, would yield a 20% diff in gas consumption at most. Whether you drove 110, 150 (typical) or 180kmh srsly wouldn't affect the gas burn that much. I now drive the tesla as much or more aggressively than the BMW (for a good reason, it rocks to drive it!) but i clearly pay with 50% reduction in range for the modest amount of fun LOL. BUT all that ASIDE, as i said, i really wanted real world experiences so thanks bros and keep more numbers coming. I personally didn't buy a tesla to drive it like im 90 years old, when it's the most fun car on the road, so i will accept the consequences.

 

[DRS247]

Picked my Model 3 Propulsion (ex Standard Range) with LFP battery on Nov 18, so basically had it for a month now and have 700 kms on it. It’s been cold lately (around 0C) and I’ve been averaging around 390 kms in mostly city conditions. I usually drive carefully with the aim of getting the most range possible (as in the city you can’t really do much).

Keen to know how you think that is. As I’ve never driven the car in proper spring/summer conditions, would like to know from your experience what you think I could squeeze out in warmer conditions. Since I got the car, a 100% charge would show about 445-450 kms of range. Never shown the 490-510 kms range advertised (WLTP).

 

[yogi799]

390 kms??? The trick is you must never exceed smthg like 50 km/h in the city?

 

[yogi799]

So I finally did a test. Drove the car like I've driven any of my ICE cars in the past. Some passing, some hard acceleration, 130-145 kmh on freeways, not concerned about the range at all, wanted to test it in real life situations, ie normal/spirited driving. This is what i got at around 0 C temps.

11% left with 185 kmh covered. That suggests a measly range of about 200 kmh. Ok terrible and yes, I am learning that driving a tesla might require ending of ALL the fun in order to maximize range, if one cares (though i have not tested that theory yet simply because i cannot resist the temptation to have fun... and duh.. drive like i always have been in all my ICE cars).

BUT here is the question. If I have burned 40kwh on a 60khw battery, with the usable power of 57.5 kwn, first of all, why doesn't the display show 33% left rather than 11%? That suggests that i had roughly 17 kwh left in the packs, which at my consumption would yield another 80 km or range or 265 km in total (acceptable winter range). The nav told me I will NOT make it home which was only 45 kmh away, and i would be at -7% battery at home, so... what gives? Such a HUGE difference suggests only one thing, that tesla builds in a TONNE of reserve range.... Is that true? Is it reasonable to assume that with the computer showing 0%, I would easily make it home by driving another 20 km? (again , home was 45 km away and math suggested 80 km left in the battery) OR am i mistaken about the hidden reserve range at zero and there is some incorrect, not very precise math/chemistry going on in the battery packs and I have indeed used a lot more than 40 Kwh in the 185 km covered?

Dying to know what gives... As it is, the math doesn't add up AT ALL!

 

[Braumin]

The "Since Last Charge" thing only includes power used while driving. If you lost any from standby or anything you would have to check it in the energy view graph. There is a reserve of about 5 kWh or so as well. On my 82 kWh pack I have about 75 kWh usable.

Also did you start at 100%?

 

[yogi799]

Yes. 100 percent

 

[Braumin]

Well since your current trip and since last charge are not in sync I am guessing you lost some to standby losses (preconditioning, battery warming, sentry mode?)

The only way you will see the full pack usage is going 100% to 0% in one trip. The parked losses don't show up in your trip usage. I guess that makes sense but I've always found it a bit odd and confusing.

On a range test in a 2022 M3P, which has the 82 kWh battery, the driver went 100% to 0% and his trip meter showed 75 kWh used. He then drove it past 0% for a while and was able to get to 79 kWh used before the car was pretty much completely dead. There's a small reserve and you will never get 100% of the battery either because of energy losses.

100% to 0% at your Wh/km of 215 you would probably get about 230 km or so in one trip if you stopped right at 0%

 

[Eww_Gas]

Dude.. just enjoy the car. stop being so anal.