Are you satisfied with the range you get?

[ewoodrick]

I don't think I used the word "harm" in my post but okay, obviously the battery will still function normally just with shorter and shorter range. So in that sense it is harming range.

Going below 20% doesn't hurt Lithium Ion battery health. Going over 50-54% does, but not much unless you go over 80-90%.

One would tend to equate "hurt" and "harm"

Are you harming a battery by owning one? Of course not. Just owning a battery and letting it age will decrease the capacity.

There is a report on long term 100% charge storage, If I remember correctly, the degradation over a year was 7%.
BUT 3-4% of that was based on simple aging.

After about the first year, batteries will degrade to a certain level. Once they hit that level, they tend to stay close to that level for many years.

 

[Occhis]

My single experience on 2019 M3LR was 11% degradation at 46,000 miles after 4 years.

 

[dgpcolorado]

I suppose it depends on what one is used to — I started with a 70 mile range LEAF in 2011 and got really good at hypermiling and opportunity charging, especially in winter.

Now, coming from a short range S60 that was down to 166 RM after 164,000 miles, the range of my Y LR is terrific! Twice the range and quadruple the supercharging speed is making road trips a lot easier. I did more than 80,000 miles of long road trips in the S60 and really had to work at it. With the Y LR I have 14,000 miles on it in just over five months, with another 7000 mile road trip planned for next month.

My longest trip leg in the Y LR was 274 miles over the mountains, from about 94% to 3% just to get a feel for the range. But four hours on the road without a break is pushing it, so I prefer to keep trip legs to three and a half hours or less. The increasingly dense Supercharger network makes that simple in most parts of the country.

Increasing range:

 

[ewoodrick]

I suppose it depends on what one is used to — I started with a 70 mile range LEAF in 2011 and got really good at hypermiling and opportunity charging, especially in winter.

I had the 88 mile Leaf, it certainly helps you get over range anxiety pretty quick

These kids today just don't know how well they have it

 

[holmgang]

Cars range is like my net worth: more than I need, less than I want. Its enough.

Driving around home I dont need to think about it. Once a week or whenever when it gets low I plug it in.

Driving on *real* road trips I plug when the car needs it, which is 1.5-2.5hr, or even 4hr at regional speeds (80-90km/h on national highways).

These are 1500mi roadtrips. What are you doing getting anxiety over 150mi trips haha.

 

[Bouba]

I had the 88 mile Leaf, it certainly helps you get over range anxiety pretty quick

These kids today just don't know how well they have it

 

[NeverGoingBack]

Totally satisfied …….. never even think about it ……… just follow navigation directions and do what I’m told on frequent 300+ mile road trips …… range is simply not an issue for me and I can’t figure out how to talk to or explain it to those who worry.

 

[kpanda17]

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Like the red
Btw, consumption like that is rhe CT towing at 80Mph

 

[meth0d21]

I'm pretty happy with range we get and we knew going into this, there would be performance degradation in colder weather. We tweak the range depending on the weather but hoping battery life will be on par with what folks around New England have shared.

 

[Fourdoor]

I am happy with the range I get, because I knew ahead of time that this was the EPA combined city/highway rating, not a measure of how far the car could travel on a road trip from 100% down to 5%. I got the "road trip range" information from out of spec motoring. Most important data out of spec motoring provides is from the 10% challenge (how far can you go after plugging in for exactly 15 min if you plug in at 10% and drive at 80 mph until you hit 10% again).

If I were an average buyer ignorant of how range ratings are come up with by the EPA I would have been very disappointed.

Personally I think there should be at least two numbers given, perhaps 4. At minimum a separate "good weather" 75 mph highway range and city driving range... preferable would be separate "good weather" (75F clear) and "bad weather" (summer temp but heavy rain OR below freezing temperatures) ratings for both 75 mph highway driving and for normal city driving... but that is asking way too much

Keith

 

[DanDi58]

I live in Central NJ, and have taken trips as far north as central Maine and as far south as Southwest VA - I want to get to Florida soon. I regularly go to Upstate NY and the Boston area. About 2/3 of my (almost) 50k miles have been on road trips. I can't wait to drive to NE Florida. I've waited to charge twice, each time for about 5 minutes. I've encountered 2 broken chargers (neither of which caused me to wait). I do a couple of things that eliminate any anxiety - if going to a new area, I typically look at the charging situation on supercharge.info to see what there is locally. I also typically will charge up a bit prior to leaving for home from a trip, so I can make some progress without having to stop immediately. I also have a CCS adapter which I've never had to use but gives a little peace of mind. Overall, I am very satisfied with the range. Would I like more? Sure, if it can be accomplished with the same size battery. I don't want to be lugging around a bigger heavier battery just to get a few more miles.