Ukraine clears Black Sea for almost a week now, more ATACMS en route, drone attacks = more Russian oil refineries burn...
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Russia/Ukraine conflict
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navguy12
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The discharge petition is live. We'll see if any Republicans have the courage to sign it.
Discharge Petition No. 9, Bill Number: H.Res. 1016, 118th Congress
SPONSOR: James P. McGovern DESCRIPTION: Pursuant to clause 2 of rule XV, I, James P. McGovern, move to discharge the Committee on Rules from the consideration of the resolution entitled, a resolution providing for consideration of the bill (H.R. 5673) to advance responsible policies, which was...
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DanCar
Active Member
Discharge petition: If it gets 218 signatures, then the senate version of the foreign aid bill will be brought to a vote in the house.
This is viewed as bypassing Republican leadership and there would likely be backlash for any Republicans that sign it.
Here is what is in that bill:
The $95.34 billion national security supplemental package includes:
This is viewed as bypassing Republican leadership and there would likely be backlash for any Republicans that sign it.
Here is what is in that bill:
Murray Statement on Senate Passage of National Security Supplemental | United States Senate Committee on Appropriations
United States Senate Committee on Appropriations
www.appropriations.senate.gov
- $60.06 billion to support Ukraine as it fights back against Putin’s bloody invasion and protects its people and sovereignty.
- $14.1 billion in security assistance for Israel.
- $2.44 billion to support operations in the U.S. Central Command and address combat expenditures related to conflict in the Red Sea.
- $9.15 billion in humanitarian assistance to provide food, water, shelter, medical care, and other essential services to civilians in Gaza and the West Bank, Ukraine, and other populations caught in conflict zones across the globe.
- $4.83 billion to support key regional partners in the Indo-Pacific and deter aggression by the Chinese government.
- $481 million to continue support for Ukrainians displaced by Putin’s war of aggression.
- $400 million for the Nonprofit Security Grant Program to help nonprofits and places of worship make security enhancements.
- The Fentanyl Eradication and Narcotics Deterrence (FEND) Off Fentanyl Act.
nwdiver
Well-Known Member
The discharge petition is live. We'll see if any Republicans have the courage to sign it.
Discharge Petition No. 9, Bill Number: H.Res. 1016, 118th Congress
SPONSOR: James P. McGovern DESCRIPTION: Pursuant to clause 2 of rule XV, I, James P. McGovern, move to discharge the Committee on Rules from the consideration of the resolution entitled, a resolution providing for consideration of the bill (H.R. 5673) to advance responsible policies, which was...clerk.house.gov
The Kremlin has fired its top naval commander, the biggest fallout yet from a series of devastating attacks by Ukraine on Russia’s Black Sea Fleet, according to a Ukrainian and a Western official….
…U.S. officials have assessed that while Kyiv’s counteroffensive last year in eastern and southern Ukraine largely failed, its strikes on the Crimean Peninsula and attacks on the Black Sea Fleet were unexpectedly effective…
…U.S. officials believe Ukraine has sunk 15 Russian ships in the past six months…
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/12/...ytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
Ukrainian military and their Russian allies are very active today and an IL-76 transport plane downed.
navguy12
Active Member
Maybe somewhat related; the GOP majority will be reduced:
Hoping Ken Buck (R) will sign it, having already announced his leaving. They should only need a few more if all the Dems are present and (as expected) vote yea. I say hoping they are present, as a covid-related absence on the Dem side allowed the impeachment of Mayorkis go through. Every vote needed here.Discharge petition: If it gets 218 signatures, then the senate version of the foreign aid bill will be brought to a vote in the house.
This is viewed as bypassing Republican leadership and there would likely be backlash for any Republicans that sign it.
Here is what is in that bill:
The $95.34 billion national security supplemental package includes:Murray Statement on Senate Passage of National Security Supplemental | United States Senate Committee on Appropriations
United States Senate Committee on Appropriationswww.appropriations.senate.gov
- $60.06 billion to support Ukraine as it fights back against Putin’s bloody invasion and protects its people and sovereignty.
- $14.1 billion in security assistance for Israel.
- $2.44 billion to support operations in the U.S. Central Command and address combat expenditures related to conflict in the Red Sea.
- $9.15 billion in humanitarian assistance to provide food, water, shelter, medical care, and other essential services to civilians in Gaza and the West Bank, Ukraine, and other populations caught in conflict zones across the globe.
- $4.83 billion to support key regional partners in the Indo-Pacific and deter aggression by the Chinese government.
- $481 million to continue support for Ukrainians displaced by Putin’s war of aggression.
- $400 million for the Nonprofit Security Grant Program to help nonprofits and places of worship make security enhancements.
- The Fentanyl Eradication and Narcotics Deterrence (FEND) Off Fentanyl Act.
A lot of our future rides on both the substance and the international optics of this bill passing IMO.
The White House is providing a $300M stopgap aid package for Ukraine. Included are ATACM missiles, and artillery shells.
amp-theguardian-com.cdn.ampproject.org
White House announces $300m stopgap military aid package for Ukraine | Ukraine | The Guardian
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I knew he was not running for re-election and that set off a melee of people vying for his seat, but I guess he's just too fed up and he's out. There will be a special election to fill his seat until January, probably held this summer and it will probably be won by a Republican. Buck's district is very red. But the seat will be vacant until the seat is filled.
With a discharge petition it requires a majority of the chamber to sign on which would be 218. At the moment only 169 Democrats have signed on. The Democrats need all of the Democrats plus 5 to succeed. Ken Buck was one of the most likely Republicans to sign onto it. The odds of this succeeding are very slim.
There's a few Democrats who aren't going to be onboard with this petition because of the Gaza situation. Not sure how many but there's at least two no votes from them.
I'm a little pessimistic about this. Apparently during the last 90 years discharge petitions have worked 26 out of 563 times.
I'm a little pessimistic about this. Apparently during the last 90 years discharge petitions have worked 26 out of 563 times.
Even though there is money in there for humanitarian aid to Gaza too.
Unfortunately there probably will be little movement on aid for Ukraine until January.
I guess you're right in that a large enough crowd would be untenable for 'the police' to deal with. But the crowd will probably have to take over Moscow and get a sufficient amount of the oppression apparatus to switch sides. They will also have to go after the Dictator and all his accomplices. Otherwise the Dictator and/or his minions will begin to start to try and take over yet again by imprisoning or killing key opposition figures. People in Belarus tried to accomplish something like a Maidan Revolution, but that time they didn't succeed...
It would probably take large protests breaking out in multiple locations around the same time. Russia has internal security troops who are vetted for their loyalty to the regime. Some were sent to Ukraine and are now gone, but the units are probably about 2/3 their pre-war strength. Whenever unrest breaks out anywhere, the security troops are sent in first. For protests to get out of hand, the security troops would have to be stretched too thin with too many protests to police.
I've heard several experts on authoritarian regimes say that dictators always look strong until suddenly they don't. Dictators stay in power by keeping the population cowed. As soon as enough people decide not to be cowed any more, suddenly the dictator is on thin ice and things can fall apart quickly.
Sometimes, like the Belarusian protests, the dictator manages to get things under control again. It's a roll of the dice when things start unraveling.
Tiger
Active Member
Maybe they'll decide to send the wives to fetch their men and boys back? That would teach them. /s
The Czech Republic coming in clutch when the stakes are high.
www.telegraph.co.uk
How the Czech Republic has just stopped Putin cold and saved Ukraine
Without help in the nick of time, Kyiv would probably have lost an entire oblast by now
www.telegraph.co.uk
Discharge petition part deux.
This one is a Republican lead effort. I think it has more border stuff.
Discharge Petition No. 10, Bill Number: H.Res. 1027, 118th Congress
SPONSOR: Brian K. Fitzpatrick DESCRIPTION: Pursuant to clause 2 of rule XV, I, Brian K. Fitzpatrick, move to discharge the Committee on Rules from the consideration of the resolution entitled, a resolution providing for consideration of the bill (H.R. 626) to advance commonsense policy...
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This one is a Republican lead effort. I think it has more border stuff.
Tiger
Active Member
Long live the People's Republic of Tetkino!
