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Russian Invasion and its impact on Space Launches

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This news story Kazakhstan Impounds Property Of Russian Cosmodrome Operator In Baikonur is somewhat related to the topic of this thread.

Kazakh authorities have impounded the property of Russia's main operator of spacecraft launching sites in Baikonur (Baiqonyr) in the Central Asian nation's southern region of Qyzylorda.

Kazakhstan’s bailiff service banned Russia's Space Infrastructure Center from transferring its assets and property out of the country and ordered the entity's leader to remain in Kazakhstan… the decision was made due to the Russian state company's debt of 13.5 billion tenges ($29.7 million) to the Baiterek Kazakh-Russian joint venture for work related to estimating ecological damage caused by Souyz-5 rockets. Baiterek was created in 2005 to secure the gradual move of launches to ecologically safe rockets while abolishing Proton rockets that use highly toxic heptyl fuel.
So Russia owes money to Kazakhstan for a project related to shifting to rockets that use a less toxic fuel. My understanding is that the Proton uses UDMH (unsymmetrical dimethylhydrazine) and N2O4 oxidizer (nitrogen tetroxide). But to use a different fuel would require a new engine design and a lot of changes to the rocket. Russia has shown no signs of doing that.
Kazakhstan’s move to impound the space company's property came days after the chief of Russia's Roskosmos space agency, Yury Borisov, publicly criticized Kazakh Communications Minister Baghdat Musin for his team's decision to postpone the construction of a new spacecraft launch area at Baikonur.
So this dispute impacts the long talked about new launch facility at Baikonur.
Since the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, Russia has continued to use the Baikonur space complex, leasing the site from Kazakhstan since 1994. Trying to reduce its dependence on the Baikonur Cosmodrome for manned rocket launches, Russia started constructing the Vostochny Cosmodrome in the Far Eastern Amur region near the Chinese border in 2012. But that project has been dogged by reports of corruption, with dozens of people involved in the planning and construction of the facility arrested on embezzlement and fraud charges in recent years.
The Russian civilian space program is in an ongoing state of collapse.
 
This news story Kazakhstan Impounds Property Of Russian Cosmodrome Operator In Baikonur is somewhat related to the topic of this thread.


So Russia owes money to Kazakhstan for a project related to shifting to rockets that use a less toxic fuel. My understanding is that the Proton uses UDMH (unsymmetrical dimethylhydrazine) and N2O4 oxidizer (nitrogen tetroxide). But to use a different fuel would require a new engine design and a lot of changes to the rocket. Russia has shown no signs of doing that.

So this dispute impacts the long talked about new launch facility at Baikonur.

The Russian civilian space program is in an ongoing state of collapse.

Let's unpack this a bit.

--Russia owes money to the Kazakhs for an environmental study for the new Soyuz rocket. Russia hasn't paid because they're bullies and likely because the Kazakhs are super corrupt and shady (they learned from the best, after all) and the $30M won't be the end of it anyway. I wouldn't be surprised if there was never actually a formal agreement to pay $30M, but I digress...

--The new Soyuz uses an RD170 variant motor; RD170 and its variants have always run on LOX and Kerosene/RP1. These motors are used in Soyuz (the current one), Zenit (so, also the defunct sea/land launch venture), Angara, Atlas 5, and probably others. So...we're not actually talking about less toxic fuel here with a new rocket, since it was always already going to use less toxic fuel. (And, to be clear, the Kazakhs could actually give a *sugar* about environmental damage)

--Proton does use The Bad Stuff for propellant; Proton is all but dead and Russia has long been wanting to supersede it with Angara (which, again, already uses LOX and RP1). It's a messy world of course and it's worth noting that the new Soyuz is more or less the replacement for the mostly-failed Angara program. Younger and prettier, as it were...

--The Russian "civilian space program", (quotes and italics are meant to highlight the absurdity of the statement because there's really never been a civilian space program) has already collapsed. It was on a respirator before Vlad started a War; the War nailed the coffin tight. The two major factors were 1) Falcon 9 and 2) the string of Proton failures in the 2010's. Proton was long the cheap 4/5m class rocket, and was massively profitable for Russia. Once the more cheaper and more reliable F9 really started to take hold there was little reason for anyone to buy protons. Soyuz--beyond the Oneweb contract, which was brokered through Arianespace--only did a handful of commercial launches over the years because its been pretty unfavorably priced (a Soyuz launch is more or less the same price as a Falcon 9). The overwhelming majority of Soyuz launches are and have been Federal or ISS related. And again, "ISS != civilian" in Russian, though I appreciate that's diving into semantics.

--Russia is generally keen to shift mid inclination launches to Vostochny, despite the logistical nightmare of shipping rockets 6-8000km or whatever it is across Siberia. A major hangup is the Russian obsession with history/legacy/tradition, but even that's not enough for Vlad to invade Kazakhstan and properly take Baikonur back over again. (Unlike the Ukraine there's very little redeeming value in Kazakhstan to Russia beyond the facilities in Baikonur...which themselves are only redeeming simply because they exist...). The other major hangup is that the awkward existing relationship over the city/base is just too easy to manage for Russia's big thumb on Kazakhstan's Yorkie bark.

--That Vostochny has been plagued with corruption is kind of just standard MO for Russia. Doing any kind of business in Russia is mostly about how to out-corrupt the other person. That one gets arrested in the process of doing business simply means there are other more corrupt players in the game...with more money. ;)
 
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The Russian civilian space program is in an ongoing state of collapse.

Nahh... it's fine:

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This news story Kazakhstan Impounds Property Of Russian Cosmodrome Operator In Baikonur is somewhat related to the topic of this thread.
Eric Berger reports on that story and offers some clarifications.
the main Russian space corporation, Roscosmos, has been developing a new medium-lift rocket that it anticipates launching from Baikonur. This is the Soyuz-5 vehicle, a three-stage rocket powered by RD-171 engines that will burn kerosene fuel. Russia is counting on this vehicle to replace its aging Proton-M rocket and be more cost-competitive with commercial rockets such as SpaceX's Falcon 9 booster… Russia has already spent nearly $1 billion on the development of the new Soyuz-5 rocket and plans for its launch site and ground services. When Ars wrote about the rocket's development in 2017, it was slated to debut in 2021. Now it is unlikely to debut before at least 2024—and given the current dispute with Kazakhstan, it likely will be delayed much longer into the future.
I had forgotten that the Soyuz-5 rocket had started development so long ago.
…the Soyuz-5 vehicle, a three-stage rocket powered by RD-171 engines that will burn kerosene fuel. Russia is counting on this vehicle to replace its aging Proton-M rocket and be more cost-competitive with commercial rockets such as SpaceX's Falcon 9 booster.
Which of course will not be the case. Even if Russia was flying the Soyuz-5 rocket right now it could not compete against the F9.

It appears that Kazakhstan could be concerned about the implications of the Russian invasion of Ukraine in respect to its own independent status.
Kazakhstan's president, Kassym-Jomart Tokayev, apparently sees Russia's preoccupation with Ukraine as a window of opportunity to assert greater autonomy for Kazakhstan.

Russia, for its part, has pushed back on further autonomy for Kazakhstan. Weakening ties with the large country to its south could lead to a further crumbling of the Russian Federation. At times, the rhetoric has grown heated. For example, former Russian President Dmitriy Medvedev has called Kazakhstan an "artificial state" and, on the Russian social media site VKontakte, accused the neighboring country of planning genocide against ethnic Russians in Kazakhstan.

It appears to be good politics for Kazakh officials to stand up to this kind of bluster.
 
Lest any of my fellow Americans get cocky about this on our Independence Day, let's remember that we were relying on Soyuz launches for nearly a decade.
I couldn't agree more. Just imagine if John McCain hadn't made a huge stink about relying on Russian rockets and engines. SpaceX probably would not have gotten government support that led to "fixed price" contracts. So we would have no SpaceX with reusable boosters. We'd still have ULA relying on the RD-180's and never trying to switch to the Vulcan. Northrup would still be buying the RD-181's after the NK-33's failure. Putin would be using our dependence on their rockets and engines as a lever in his attack on Ukraine. Lots of corruption happening from NPO Energomash and everyone associated with acquisitions.
 
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I couldn't agree more. Just imagine if John McCain hadn't made a huge stink about relying on Russian rockets and engines.
SpaceX probably would not have gotten government support that led to "fixed price" contracts.
So we would have no SpaceX with reusable boosters.
We'd still have ULA relying on the RD-180's and never trying to switch to the Vulcan.
Northrup would still be buying the RD-181's after the NK-33's failure.
Putin would be using our dependence on their rockets and engines as a lever in his attack on Ukraine.
Lots of corruption happening from NPO Energomash and everyone associated with acquisitions.

Nasa would not had been also only dependent on Russian Soyuz
to keep alive and transport crews to and from the ISS (International Space Station)
if the European had continued development of the Hermess European shuttle.


However, SpaceX's reusable rockets have completely upended the global launch industry.

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