Short-Term TSLA Price Movements - 2014

[wycolo]

. . We can all need a pause.

I took the summer off so the recent drop came as a surprise here. Grabbed 100 more @232- (all I had in the trading acct). :crying:
You do what you can.
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[Chickenlittle]

allowed to fly with low grade fever as well. when screening people need to set lower limits of the screen (symptoms/fever) with high prevalence possibility to be sure all are caught with such a high mortality rate. clearly she was part of a lot higher risk population having had significant contact with an infected patient. this is even higher risk since a nurse taking similar precautions (or we are told all the right precautions) was infected. of 78 care workers one already known to be infected indicates higher than 1% chance and now two closer to 3%. i hope they are keeping closer tabs on the rest of the exposed population that cared for the patient. as i stated in earlier post, i have no confidence in CDC that doesnt understand this. i am also disturbed that they would let her travel to other parts of the country while self monitoring. would not want to risk including other areas should she have become positive. lastly i am concerned about the president bragging about hugging the nurses who took care of the Emory patient. Wrong message about limiting spread. i am not stating to spread panic but lets use common sense.

So just to further explain cdc dropping ball
1. Nurses exposed not allow to treat patients BUT free to travel one by plane and second now on a prolonged cruise
2. Cdc claims not airborne spread but look at film clip of them transporting the infected nurse to NIH. Notice the accompanying cdc escorts wearing RESPIRATORS. No reason to wear those unless airborne
3. Now Ebola czar not respected physician but politician.
What mixed messages

 

[green1]

Notice the accompanying cdc escorts wearing RESPIRATORS. No reason to wear those unless airborne

Respirators? or simply N95 filtration? N95 is needed for droplet protection, not just airborne. (think little tiny drops of saliva from coughing, they go a surprising long way and are hard to see) But that's still different from "airborne"

 

[FluxCap]

Why did we fall off a cliff at noon? Analyst report?

 

[yngwie_2012]

scared longs selling or shorties

the whole index is heading south right now

 

[Curt Renz]

Why did we fall off a cliff at noon? Analyst report?

It may have more to do with monthly options expiring today. There is huge open interest and trading volume at both the 230 and 235 strikes. It may be that the hedge funds have written large short straddle positions at the 230 strike. Closing there would allow them to keep all of both their put and call premiums, while shutting out the owners of those options. The steady and controlled downtrend over the last hour before stabilizing around 230 has all the earmarks of hedge funds programming their bots to push the price to that level.

 

[mdemetri]

It may have more to do with monthly options expiring today. There is huge open interest and trading volume at both the 230 and 235 strikes. It may be that the hedge funds have written large short straddle positions at the 230 strike. Closing there would allow them to keep all of both their put and call premiums, while shutting out the owners of those options. The steady and controlled downtrend over the last hour before stabilizing around 230 has all the earmarks of hedge funds programming their bots to push the price to that level.

Is that legal?

 

[chickensevil]

Is that legal?

Sure if you have enough capital to buy and sell the shares in high enough quantities so as to move the price.

 

[dha]

It may have more to do with monthly options expiring today. There is huge open interest and trading volume at both the 230 and 235 strikes. It may be that the hedge funds have written large short straddle positions at the 230 strike. Closing there would allow them to keep all of both their put and call premiums, while shutting out the owners of those options. The steady and controlled downtrend over the last hour before stabilizing around 230 has all the earmarks of hedge funds programming their bots to push the price to that level.

The move coincided with a sharp downturn in the NASDAQ composite.

 

[JRP3]

2. Cdc claims not airborne spread but look at film clip of them transporting the infected nurse to NIH. Notice the accompanying cdc escorts wearing RESPIRATORS. No reason to wear those unless airborne

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-possibil/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS

http://www.wnd.com/2014/10/u-s-army-warns-of-potential-airborne-ebola/

 

[mdemetri]

Sure if you have enough capital to buy and sell the shares in high enough quantities so as to move the price.

But the SEC just charged a HFT group with manipulating the closing price of stocks.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/102090905

 

[Curt Renz]

The move coincided with a sharp downturn in the NASDAQ composite.

The same strategy could have been conducted with other large NASDAQ-100 components. Short straddles could have been written for the individual components and/or the ETF. This has been ongoing for thirty years.

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But the SEC just charged a HFT group with manipulating the closing price of stocks.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/102090905

Apparently that has to do with manipulation during the last second of trading rather than more extended time periods during the day.

 

[dha]

The same strategy could have been conducted with other large NASDAQ-100 components. Short straddles could have been written for the individual components and/or the ETF. This is all legal and has been ongoing for thirty years.

This assumes that all such components needed to have been shoved downward for short straddles with large OI to close ATM. An equal number may have needed to be shoved upward.

 

[Curt Renz]

This assumes that all such components needed to have been shoved downward for short straddles with large OI to close ATM. An equal number may have needed to be shoved upward.

It only need be done with the larger components, or the ETF. Most of them were well up earlier today. The short straddles may have been written earlier this week when prices were lower.

 

[chickensevil]

This assumes that all such components needed to have been shoved downward for short straddles with large OI to close ATM. An equal number may have needed to be shoved upward.

Unlikely given the stock price jump today which was caused by the news of the Fed last night/this morning... so all stocks were unexpectedly up higher than they originally anticipated and they would likely be trying to drive the price back down to a level that they actually wanted it to be at.

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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-possibil/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS

http://www.wnd.com/2014/10/u-s-army-warns-of-potential-airborne-ebola/

Yes, there is always the "risk" of it going airborne, as of right now, it is not airborne. But if I were a doctor or nurse treating the sick I would want to take every precaution I could so I don't make myself risk. Because if a doctor or nurse gets sick and then starts treating healthy patients... well, you just started helping to spread it around. And there is no way to know that it had mutated until after you had just infected the entire hospital.

You have to separate the diffence between a scientific "risk" or "chance" versus a "risk" or "chance" that would be relevant to everyone else. Science would suggest that you have a 1 in 500,000 chance of being hit by lightning, so as a "normal" person, you aren't going to do anything different to protect yourself from that chance... however if you were doing something in the middle of an open field during a thunderstorm, you might try to do something to eliminate that increased risk you just put yourself in. It is the same thing here... they are intentionally increasing their risk of exposure to ebola so that is why they are taking extra steps to reduce that risk as low as possible, but if it was airborne then it would have already spread much faster than we are currently seeing. EVERYONE (or just about everyone) on the plane that landed in Dallas would have been infected if it were airborne... most people in the airport would have been hit already, and it would have started spreading out from there. It is not airborne...

 

[green1]

The quoted article suggests N95 masks, that's standard for any infectious patient coughing. Nothing to see here...

Could it potentially become airborne if <insert any number of far fetched situations here> sure, of course, but that's not the case now, and we've seen nothing to indicate that it will be any time soon.

 

[Johan]

Chick: we've long known Ebola is not airborne, it's been known all along. Ebola is a type of virus that would be extremely unlikely to mutate in to a form where it could become airborne and still keep the genes and functions to keep causing the disease Ebola. Only airbornes that are clinically relevant are VZV (chickenpox [see what I did there?]) and measels.
Now should we rename this thread to TSLAEBOLA?
(I'm and MD and have some insights in to virology)

 

[Chickenlittle]

Respirators? or simply N95 filtration? N95 is needed for droplet protection, not just airborne. (think little tiny drops of saliva from coughing, they go a surprising long way and are hard to see) But that's still different from "airborne"

They had respirators on

 

[Johan]

They had respirators on

Wouldn't you?

 

[Bunky]

Looks like we need an Ebola Hysteria thread.