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I think the valuation questions shift to an analysis of (cash flow from increasing deliveries vs. tsla able to get to guidance # of deliveries in 2016) vs. capital raise to accleerate Model 3 ramp.

We may be at a situation where the best thing for the company is to show Q2 breakeven cash and then do capital raise and go cash flow negative in rest of 2016.

It is very unlikely that the current sales / production ramp can fund the fastest expansion of the Model 3 ramp, but it may be helpful for the investors to see if the current P&L could support at least a modest Model 3 ramp.

Of course another solution is some sort of JV with a partner or government to fund a new Model 3 factory in EU.


I agree the Model X and S will be unlikely to fund the Model 3 so more capital will be necessary especially with the need for more capacity to accelerate the Model 3 ramp.

One thought I had was to allow current the reservation holders to start to pre-pay their car. Any prepayments before Sept 2017 would get you 2% of the prepayment towards Model 3 options. Fully refundable but you would loose your reservation if you withdrawal the pre-payment. A full $35K pre-payment would net you $750 discount on the options for the car. Of course you could do less and contribute monthly.

Given the less wealthy and younger people wanting to buy a model 3 I think many would like do this.

Even 10% overall pre-payment on current reservations would net over $1B. Probably cheaper than going to Wall Street and no dilution of the stock.
 
Lying is stating what you currently know to be incorrect.

Exaggerating is only stating the most positive of all the facts, and omitting the most negative ones.

Speculating is stating what you believe the most likely future will bring, which may or may not turn out to be correct.

Misspeaking is stating what you believe to be correct, only to be proven incorrect (human error).

Please refer to these when commenting on one's statements. Elon et. al. have occasionally exaggerated, often speculate, rarely (but sometimes) misspeak....but I have never heard a lie.
 
Julian and other tmc friends. I wanted to stop by and say thanks for all of the great insights. I always snicker when I think of Julian guaranteeing Tesla over 250 by May or he would eat unwashed socks. It turns out you were spot on, and I continue to believe your take that Tesla will be a rocket ship through q3. IMO the market always overreacts in both directions. We saw this in February when the X was "unbuildable" and the stock was headed to zero right? It was really frustrating to watch and now I can only kick myself for not buying more sub 150. As you can recall my wife would not allow more purchases. I appreciate everyone always talking me off a ledge when I was close to selling at 165. That would have been beyond stupid in retrospect!

Welcome. It would be fun to hear about anyone that actually backed the sock-guaranteed trade with a $50 - $100 OTM calls and made off with 10,000% or better.

Note. I am expecting another opportunity this year to emphatically call a gross time and price bound (what I would term) short term price movement of this kind of magnitude. That was just the first one. Ideal entry for the next one isn't yet - at this range I would guess July 10th through Sept 29 - not ready to sock guarantee it or price target it yet!
 
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If Musk really does want to raise capital before 1Q ER, then April 2016 might unfold like this:

STEP 1 Unveil Part 1 (done)

Message for potential customers = VALUE
Reservers are early adopter types.
Cumulative reservation total increasing
If Musk announces the date for Unveil Part 2 anytime in the next few days,
IMHO
, it will be a strong indication of a raise before 1Q ER.

Cumulative reservation total is rising during STEP 1 to N, say, at the moment of...​

STEP 2 Unveil Part 2

Message for potential customers = SUPER NEXT LEVEL (Musk's term)...
Reservers will again be early adopter types.

Cumulative reservation total increases during this step by a factor of 3 *, to 3xN, whereupon...
STEP 3 Announce cut-off date for M3 reservations

Message for potential customers: Sorry, we need to limit M3 production and then plan our expansion so we will have capacity in reserve to launch new products, pick ups, vans etc. Other automakers may also be planning compelling mid-price sedan EVs, but if you really think you will want an M3 please order before the cut-off date (April 30... end of month perhaps?).

Reservers during STEP 3 will be mainstream types ( who notice no chance of getting anything this good from other automakers)

Cumulative reservation total increases even more rapidly than in STEPS 1 & 2, while...

STEP 3.5: Official Gigafactory Opening Event takes place.

Message for Investors: Execution is good.
GF Module 1 is already producing Battery Packs on spec much more cost efficiently than Fremont.
Hint of reasonable to good margins on Tesla Energy Products.
Cumulative reservation total increases during STEP 3 by a factor of 5 ** at cut off, to 15xN, whereupon...​


STEP 4 may be initiated around the cut-off date, possibly a little earlier to get it settled before 1Q ER:

Raise equity capital (comparable to sum of deposits, perhaps) at highest supported SP *** (lowest dilution)
STEP 5: (in May)

Q1 ER: Tesla explains how it can accelerate construction of GFs and create M3 production lines in Fremont and elsewhere. The company's forward looking statements will not be treated with skepticism because it will be already sitting on a mountain of new equity capital and a 0% loan facility (customer deposits) sufficient to spur much faster growth.


* "Super next level"...these are Musk's words. I give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that whatever features will be unveiled they will be so compelling that another N early adopters are sucked into the reservation line. Also, because word of M3 is still diffusing through media and by word of mouth to populations that have never heard of Tesla, I have credited another N early adopter reservations simply due to the time effect of the ever growing Tesla awareness during STEP 2. That brings us to 3xN.



** In any population adopting something new, the mainstream cohort will be much more numerous than the early adopter cohort. Active posters to this forum are mainly of the early adopter type, who may not fully appreciate that an incentive is needed to get mainstream types to reserve (otherwise they would also be called early adopters). Fear of missing out on a perceived 'can't afford to be without' type of product may be the perfect incentive. And because the mainstream cohort is so numerous, my multiple for their contributions to reservations numbers is 5, so bringing the cumulative total to 15xN at the cut off date.



*** Impossible to guess even, but $TSLA may spike at ridiculous levels and then fall back to a new support level very much higher than all current price targets. Some positive factors to consider:

Shorts covering
Some capital fleeing major automakers may land on Tesla.
Analysts will probably try to completely remodel Tesla (after GF opening) boosting price targets to match their new models.
New reservers taking a position in TSLA. (Average of only 1 share per reserver, say, could amount to 7.5m**** shares).

**** Suppose N is about 500k (not too far-fetched with todays information, I hope most of you will now be in agreement on this).
Then if my multiples of N are reasonable (Many TMC members may have difficulty here because they are almost certainly in the early adopter cohort, not recognising perhaps that mainstream types need an incentive to act), it follows that we could have 15xN = 7.5m reservations by the cut off.

[If Musk will announce Unveil Part 2 in the next few days, the remaining steps are likely, IMO...
Which brings me to my WAG of 10m reservations by the cut off. I'm optimistic. Absolute max is probably ~ 20m, thereby sucking many years' worth of mid-price sedans off the forward sales assumptions of all of the major automakers. Either way, April will be interesting]

 
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Welcome. It would be fun to hear about anyone that actually backed the sock-guaranteed trade with a $50 - $100 OTM calls and made off with 10,000% or better.

Note. I am expecting another opportunity this year to emphatically call a gross time and price bound (what I would term) short term price movement of this kind of magnitude. That was just the first one. Ideal entry for the next one isn't yet - at this range I would guess July 10th through Sept 29 - not ready to sock guarantee it or price target it yet!
I'm fairly certain you were guaranteeing this in the 160s. It seemed unlikely given all the negativity surrounding Tesla. Happy we are back over 250 and I feel 300 is soon since the shorts refuse to cover....::yet
 
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The Models 3 has ignited huge rallies among dozens of Chinese companies' stocks. Some are suppliers to Tesla, some are just loosely related to electric charging and batteries. Elon is regarded as an idol above Jobs in China. There's no way Chinese government will allow Tesla unfettered market access , that will kill all the domestic car makers. This will be a epic struggle.

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Ha funny thing! Chinese apparently use red to mark gains on a ticker.

I think it is worth contemplating Chinese long term mentality and standard operating procedures - and I would want to know the history of how the first Western (or Japanese) automaker got established in China before drawing educated conclusions - and that is before weighing a first principles approach to what can be negotiated here that may be unprecedented.

For example Tesla in China could split its business 51 / 49 with the 51% being a 100% state owned battery Gigafactory and the vehicle fabricaton remaining 100% Tesla. That could potentially work well for everyone. Note that China is very welcoming of products that are more than 50% Chinese by value making a Tesla EV an ideal product to divide into monotonous bulk cell production on one side of the value equation and deep balance of system IP on the other.

Mostly over a 20 plus year tinespan China would want a state of the art manufacturing base onshore that it can study and eventually replicate with 100% Chinese owned operations just like it did with ICE. Maybe the first ICE manufacturer to set foot there got a very sweet welcome mat - before the remainder got stuffed with the mandatory joint venture BS - that is a piece of economic history I am not yet aware of but I'm curious to research it.
 
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I will buy anything, including electronics made in China as long as the brand itself is not Chinese. The reason? Quality and safety.

I have the new Nexus 6P which is branded by Huawei and it is a fantastic phone with fantastic build quality. I am sure that there are bad Chinese brands, but there are also good ones. Just the same as any other country.

Looks like everybody is trying to clinch a piece of the Tesla's fame - today Nvidia unveiled new Tesla P100 chip.

Google Nvidia Unveils Massive Chip to Target 'Machine Learning' to avoid WSJ paywall.

I am assuming this is a joke right? Nvidia has been naming their chips after famous scientists/inventors for quite some time. This Architecture goes all the way back to slightly before the Geforce 8 series (2005/2006) before Tesla Motors had even shown off their first product.
 
If Musk announces the date for Unveil Part 2 anytime in the next few days.

I have seen this theory popping up on several threads, but I think all of you making this assumption missed the part where Elon has repeatedly said that Part 2 will be close to production start. This is the "close to the vest" part. Most likely Part 2 is about the super advanced autonomous features and exact specs on battery configs, charge times, performance, etc. and they don`t want to give these away just yet. Why would they? They already have reservations for like the first 1,5-2 years of production without sharing those details...

Of course, if they manage to accelerate the production timeline, Part 2 of the reveal will get closer too, but this won`t happen for at least another year, consequently, Elon would not want to nail themselves to an exact production start date just yet.
 
I have seen this theory popping up on several threads, but I think all of you making this assumption missed the part where Elon has repeatedly said that Part 2 will be close to production start. This is the "close to the vest" part. Most likely Part 2 is about the super advanced autonomous features and exact specs on battery configs, charge times, performance, etc. and they don`t want to give these away just yet. Why would they? They already have reservations for like the first 1,5-2 years of production without sharing those details...

Of course, if they manage to accelerate the production timeline, Part 2 of the reveal will get closer too, but this won`t happen for at least another year, consequently, Elon would not want to nail themselves to an exact production start date just yet.

You are right, of course. If the part 2 reveal comes in 2016 it would bode very well for a chance of accelerated production plans for M3.

Then of course there is the only rival theory worth mentioning, that the reveal part 2 will blow everyone away because it will answer the most important question of all: will there be cup holders?
 
Ok, you all can blame me for the miss. Our new Model S was available for delivery on March 30, but we could not find time to take delivery until April 2. Additionally, the delivery specialist had what looked to be paper work for at least a dozen more deliveries on his desk. So we were not alone.

But here's the interesting thing. When we first got our VIN assignment, we where told to expect delivery in late April to May. Then about a week later it went into production and we were then told to expect delivery in late March to April. In hindsight, this could have been a tipoff that something was delaying the Model X. It seems that last minute, they had to reprioritize my Model S order. Unfortunately, bumping up Model S production that late in the quarter, put a lot on the cusp for quarterly delivery.
 
I think later today (Wednesday), TSLA will continue to rise in anticipation of a larger than expected Model 3 reservation total count released by Elon in the evening. Starting on March 31, 2016, the trading volume for TSLA has gone up. According to Google Finance on TSLA (historical prices):
03/29/2016: 4,004,940
03/30/2016: 4,019,667
03/31/3016: 7,956,740
04/01/2016: 15,962,015
04/04/2016: 13,289,584
04/05/2016: 9,948,699
Note that average trading volume is about 4 million shares a day.
For TSLA short interest according to NASDAQ on 03/15/2016: 32,226,674
I would expect for some of the shorts to have covered already, given the rise in share prices in the last few trading days. I think TSLA has more room to go up in the next few days, presuming that the updated Model 3 reservation count is released after the market closes, so the market have Wednesday to "cover" or get in on expected good news, Thursday to rise and celebrate given good count number. Friday, I don't know how it will go.

You know, you pointing this out might be on to something. We might be seeing the smarter shorts finally dumping out their losses because things didn't go the way they wanted with 4 days above average volume and hitting almost 16M shares (which I don't think we have seen that amount traded in quite some time). This might actually be the start of a huge chunk of shorts trying to exit out.
 
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You are right, of course. If the part 2 reveal comes in 2016 it would bode very well for a chance of accelerated production plans for M3.

Then of course there is the only rival theory worth mentioning, that the reveal part 2 will blow everyone away because it will answer the most important question of all: will there be cup holders?
What? You mean no words on folding 2nd row seats???
 
Lying is stating what you currently know to be incorrect.

Exaggerating is only stating the most positive of all the facts, and omitting the most negative ones.

Speculating is stating what you believe the most likely future will bring, which may or may not turn out to be correct.

Misspeaking is stating what you believe to be correct, only to be proven incorrect (human error).

Please refer to these when commenting on one's statements. Elon et. al. have occasionally exaggerated, often speculate, rarely (but sometimes) misspeak....but I have never heard a lie.

We should make the first post in this thread a wiki and stick this over there. Call it 'guidelines for calling foul' or something like that.
 
I have seen this theory popping up on several threads, but I think all of you making this assumption missed the part where Elon has repeatedly said that Part 2 will be close to production start. This is the "close to the vest" part. Most likely Part 2 is about the super advanced autonomous features and exact specs on battery configs, charge times, performance, etc. and they don`t want to give these away just yet. Why would they? They already have reservations for like the first 1,5-2 years of production without sharing those details...

Of course, if they manage to accelerate the production timeline, Part 2 of the reveal will get closer too, but this won`t happen for at least another year, consequently, Elon would

want to nail themselves to an exact production start date just yet.

Musk said "closer" not "close". He is careful with word choice.

Elon Musk ‏@elonmusk Mar 30
Tomorrow is Part 1 of the Model 3 unveil. Part 2, which takes things to another level, will be closer to production.

That leaves him free to surprise!

BTW, in a later tweet...

Elon Musk ‏@elonmusk Mar 31
Thanks for tuning in to the Model 3 unveil Part 1! Part 2 is super next level, but that's for later…

he didn't repeat "closer to production"

Besides, he can always change his mind with any plausible tweet he chooses.

So I don't rule out an announcement of Unveil Part 2 in the next few days.
 
Ha funny thing! Chinese apparently use red to mark gains on a ticker.

I think it is worth contemplating Chinese long term mentality and standard operating procedures - and I would want to know the history of how the first Western (or Japanese) automaker got established in China before drawing educated conclusions - and that is before weighing a first principles approach to what can be negotiated here that may be unprecedented.

For example Tesla in China could split its business 51 / 49 with the 51% being a 100% state owned battery Gigafactory and the vehicle fabricaton remaining 100% Tesla. That could potentially work well for everyone. Note that China is very welcoming of products that are more than 50% Chinese by value making a Tesla EV an ideal product to divide into monotonous bulk cell production on one side of the value equation and deep balance of system IP on the other.

Mostly over a 20 plus year tinespan China would want a state of the art manufacturing base onshore that it can study and eventually replicate with 100% Chinese owned operations just like it did with ICE. Maybe the first ICE manufacturer to set foot there got a very sweet welcome mat - before the remainder got stuffed with the mandatory joint venture BS - that is a piece of economic history I am not yet aware of but I'm curious to research it.

Long history in short
VW is the first company which provided to build factories in China back in the 1970s while GM just turned down the request by the chinese goverment to start local production. And VW sold 3.7M of its 10M vehicles in china in 2015. But it still suffers from the 50:50 JV policy.
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