Tweeting really at anything @elonmusk or @tesla says....What is the twitter handle ya'll are responding too?
Plus created a Doge Meme...
I mean worth the try right?
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Tweeting really at anything @elonmusk or @tesla says....What is the twitter handle ya'll are responding too?
Exactly my thought.Hey all,
First post. I am one of those customers with a price hike and just want to throw this out there in case it hasn't already been discussed. Tesla has as of yet NOT broken their original contracts with us. They have simply asked us to sign a new contract or cancel our orders (contracts). As far as I can see, there is nothing in the original contract that allows these changes in prices, which is why they want us to sign a new one. I have asked Tesla representatives point blank if they intend to break the old contract or even if they believe these changes are consistent with the old contract and they will not answer these simple questions (which is telling). Now they come back a few days later to sweeten the pot for canceling our orders (paying for any costs we have incurred). My assessment is that they know they are still on the hook for the original contracts and are trying to clear out as many of us as possible with misdirection tactics. I highly doubt the arbiter would look kindly on a $600bn company breaking a contract because they decided they wanted to charge more money and wouldn't abide by the terms otherwise - so they will try to get us to cancel these orders of our own volition before it comes to that. I'd suggest emailing the resolutions email to start your 60-day arbitration clock and demand they abide by the original contract. Thoughts?
I hear ya on not assuming old contract is dead. I keep referring to it in my emails with them and AG as the “executed agreement” as it is. The new one is only “proposed”. That said, they’ve avoided installing mine for a year, and I’m probably going to need my roof before next winter, so...Hey all,
First post. I am one of those customers with a price hike and just want to throw this out there in case it hasn't already been discussed. Tesla has as of yet NOT broken their original contracts with us. They have simply asked us to sign a new contract or cancel our orders (contracts). As far as I can see, there is nothing in the original contract that allows these changes in prices, which is why they want us to sign a new one. I have asked Tesla representatives point blank if they intend to break the old contract or even if they believe these changes are consistent with the old contract and they will not answer these simple questions (which is telling). Now they come back a few days later to sweeten the pot for canceling our orders (paying for any costs we have incurred). My assessment is that they know they are still on the hook for the original contracts and are trying to clear out as many of us as possible with misdirection tactics. I highly doubt the arbiter would look kindly on a $600bn company breaking a contract because they decided they wanted to charge more money and wouldn't abide by the terms otherwise - so they will try to get us to cancel these orders of our own volition before it comes to that. I'd suggest emailing the resolutions email to start your 60-day arbitration clock and demand they abide by the original contract. Thoughts?
This is where we really need to community to come together.Flood Elon himself with requests to make this right is the way you get this changed.
Tweet him and let him know how you feel. Changing prices with materials on the ground...cmon talk about arm twisting.
Just to be clear this outcome isn't going to happen. No arbiter or court will force Tesla to perform on the existing contracts. The worst that can happen for Tesla (if this goes to arbitration or court) is they will have to pay out some "damages" to people affected. Showing the damages will not be easy for people who only spend their time and effort. So, the only way Tesla will honor these contracts is if they change their mind under some other pressure from media, social media, state AG, SEIA, etc. So, we need to all write to SEIA, your state AGs, media to put as much pressure on Tesla to do the right thing and honor existing contracts. Arbitration and court won't help in most cases.It is gonna look crazy bad for Tesla if the arbiter says they need to provide a roof and we get a judgement against them to force it. Press will be awful. I suspect they will try to avoid even the possibility of this happening...
I hardly think that Tesla performing “isn’t going to happen” it would be one thing if Tesla COULD not perform, but they can perform. There are various reasons why customers will only push so far, but a short Google search is all you need to find examples of construction companies forced to perform, as long as performance is possible.Just to be clear this outcome isn't going to happen. No arbiter or court will force Tesla to perform on the existing contracts. The worst that can happen for Tesla (if this goes to arbitration or court) is they will have to pay out some "damages" to people affected. Showing the damages will not be easy for people who only spend their time and effort. So, the only way Tesla will honor these contracts is if they change their mind under some other pressure from media, social media, state AG, SEIA, etc. So, we need to all write to SEIA, your state AGs, media to put as much pressure on Tesla to do the right thing and honor existing contracts. Arbitration and court won't help in most cases.
New email from Tesla Energy. I already had canceled 2 days ago. Interesting they are now offering to possibly reimburse for prep work already done. I've already upgraded my AC to one compatible with Powerwalls. I wonder if it is worth sending that receipt in.
I've had a signed contract 2 months ago for our vacation home in Pinecrest for $44K. Our roof is a simple A frame with a single ridge at the top. No valleys or any other elevations. It's about as simple as you can get.
So does this mean they're going to lower my price for roof simplicity since the price increases are for roof complexity?
This is interesting. Can I ask what you are basing this assertion on? I know next to nothing about arbitration, so perhaps there are rules or standard practices that guarantee a company can get out of performing? If this is an area you have expertise in please share!Just to be clear this outcome isn't going to happen. No arbiter or court will force Tesla to perform on the existing contracts. The worst that can happen for Tesla (if this goes to arbitration or court) is they will have to pay out some "damages" to people affected. Showing the damages will not be easy for people who only spend their time and effort. So, the only way Tesla will honor these contracts is if they change their mind under some other pressure from media, social media, state AG, SEIA, etc. So, we need to all write to SEIA, your state AGs, media to put as much pressure on Tesla to do the right thing and honor existing contracts. Arbitration and court won't help in most cases.
Maybe my language was too strong. I should have said "is very unlikely to happen" rather than "isn't going to happen". I got this from consulting with a friend law professor and his wife who is a practicing attorney in New York.This is interesting. Can I ask what you are basing this assertion on? I know next to nothing about arbitration, so perhaps there are rules or standard practices that guarantee a company can get out of performing? If this is an area you have expertise in please share!
Wow, a logical non emotional responseMaybe my language was too strong. I should have said "is very unlikely to happen" rather than "isn't going to happen". I got this from consulting with a friend law professor and his wife who is a practicing attorney in New York.
Let's say that we were able to prove that the breach of contract occurred, which isn't a slam dunk, but let's assume that this part was accomplished. Now, the court or the arbiter needs to decide on the appropriate remedy. Here is one source that describes various remedies that could be awarded in a breach of contract cases Breach of Contract Explained for Construction Contractors | Levelset. "Specific performance" is what would require Tesla to honor the existing contracts and is very rarely used by courts as a remedy for a contract breach especially when the contract includes a service like installation. If it was about delivery of a vehicle or some other goods - it's totally feasible, but for installation of the roof? I don't know if you want your roof installed by someone who is forced to do it against their will.
I think the only real argument - and why I would put it in the very unlikely (or even extremely unlikely) category - for specific performance would be the very unique nature of the product and the apparent case that in many (most?) areas it is not an option to use a 3rd-party installer. As addressed in your link:Maybe my language was too strong. I should have said "is very unlikely to happen" rather than "isn't going to happen". I got this from consulting with a friend law professor and his wife who is a practicing attorney in New York.
Let's say that we were able to prove that the breach of contract occurred, which isn't a slam dunk, but let's assume that this part was accomplished. Now, the court or the arbiter needs to decide on the appropriate remedy. Here is one source that describes various remedies that could be awarded in a breach of contract cases Breach of Contract Explained for Construction Contractors | Levelset. "Specific performance" is what would require Tesla to honor the existing contracts and is very rarely used by courts as a remedy for a contract breach especially when the contract includes a service like installation. If it was about delivery of a vehicle or some other goods - it's totally feasible, but for installation of the roof? I don't know if you want your roof installed by someone who is forced to do it against their will.
This will typically be used when using specially fabricated materials or other services contracted specifically for that party’s skills or ability.