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Now we know why the stock GSAT popped FIVE days ago… holding

As others have said, this really has nothing to do with Starlink directly. But, better to use a domestic launch partner for your new (paid for by Apple) satellites than a foreign one IMHO. (Unless you need equator launch capability and insertion)
 
This is Starlink related: Pension fund sues Jeff Bezos and Amazon for not using Falcon 9 rockets

The lawsuit is spicy from the standpoint of the space community, because it highlights the tensions between Musk and Bezos and the fact that Musk's company has consistently outperformed Blue Origin in nearly all manner of spaceflight activities. However, it is not clear how much legal ground there is to stand upon here.

Amazon has a ready defense. In not considering SpaceX, it chose to not fund its largest competitor in the space-based Internet business. SpaceX, with its Starlink constellation, is five years ahead of Amazon and already has launched 5,000 satellites. In purchasing Falcon 9 rockets, Amazon would have been, in effect, funding the further development and improvement of the Starlink service.

The core issue is likely to be whether Amazon directors gave due consideration to this, and other related matters. The meetings to approve these launch contracts, according to the lawsuit, were brief and perfunctory. Perhaps the real question is whether Amazon's directors should have spent more time discussing whether launching its Kuiper satellites on time, and likely for about half the cost of its other options, outweighed the downside of supporting a competitor's business.
I think the argument that “We did not solicit a bid from SpaceX because using the F9 would have contributed to their revenue and given them a competitive advantage over us” is pretty weak. If Amazon is serious about Kuiper then the most important thing is to get the project operational and meet the FCC license deadline because if they can’t do that the project is dead and they will have wasted a massive amount of money.

We know that Bezos has a huge ego; remember his stupid “welcome to the club” tweet after SpaceX successfully landed a booster for the first time? That was a brain dead statement because what actually happened was that SpaceX instantly created a new club — landing an orbital class rocket — that Amazon was not a member of, and 8 years later is still not a member of!

Given that SpaceX is happy to launch sats for competitors like OneWeb, I’m pretty sure that they would have taken Amazons money and done Kuiper launches for them.

This all reminds me of established car companies ignoring Tesla’s repeated offers over the years to open up its Supercharger network to competitors if they would contribute to the cost of building and maintaining the network. The car companies could not stomach the thought of seeing their cars plugged into Tesla chargers; what a terrible visual! And now this year almost all those companies have caved in North America and will make their EVs compatible with the Tesla plug type.
 
If Amazon is serious about Kuiper then the most important thing is to get the project operational and meet the FCC license deadline because if they can’t do that the project is dead and they will have wasted a massive amount of money.
Is there any reason that they wouldn't be able to get an extension to the deadline? Those things are only as set as people say they are. If the constellation is going up, but is incomplete by the deadline, then the FCC may consider it to be in the country's best interest to have the constellation completed so that we all benefit from increased competition. Better late than never.

Musk and Bezos not liking each other is the sort of arrangement that you want in capitalism because they won't collude on anything. We'll see true competition.
 
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Is there any reason that they wouldn't be able to get an extension to the deadline? Those things are only as set as people say they are. If the constellation is going up, but is incomplete by the deadline, then the FCC may consider it to be in the country's best interest to have the constellation completed so that we all benefit from increased competition. Better late than never.

Musk and Bezos not liking each other is the sort of arrangement that you want in capitalism because they won't collude on anything. We'll see true competition.
Law doesn't seem to allow extensions for systems
Federal Register :: Request Access
However, it seems they can be?
Otherwise, loss of bond and license.

https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/FCC-13-111A1_Rcd.pdf For almost three decades, the Commission has required space station licensees to adhere to milestone schedules. Milestones are intended to ensure that licensees provide service to the public in a timely manner and do not hold scarce orbital and spectrum resources to the exclusion of others. Before 2003, the Commission included a standard milestone schedule as a condition of most licenses. In the 2003 Space Station Licensing Reform Order, the Commission codified milestones for most GSO and NGSO satellites in Section 25.164. The milestone requirements, together with a bond requirement also adopted at that time, are designed to discourage speculative applications. They also help ensure that licensees remain committed and able to proceed with timely implementation of licensed space stations, which generally cost several hundred million dollars each to launch and operate. As a result, authorizations for new satellites, excluding DBS and SDARS, include: (1) a requirement that licensees post a $3 to $5 million bond with the Commission within 30 days of license grant; and (2) a requirement to construct and launch the satellite(s) consistent with the milestone schedule specified in Section 25.164. The milestones track the three-to-five year period needed to construct and launch a satellite. The burden of proof for milestone compliance is on the licensee. The amount of the bond may be reduced as milestones are met. The licensee is considered to be in default if it fails to meet any milestone, and at the time of the milestone deadline, the licensee has not provided a sufficient basis for extending the milestone. In those situations, the license becomes null and void and the outstanding balance of the bond is paid to the U.S. Treasury.
 
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Law doesn't seem to allow extensions for systems
Federal Register :: Request Access
Thanks for the link. Here's one in return, the FCC Authorization Order for Kuiper. Apparently Kuiper applied a couple years after an initial round of applications, and the rules changed in the meantime. Kuiper wanted to qualify under the older rules, which was denied. There is also all sorts of mentions of other companies saying that Kuiper needs to do this or that to complete the application, and one company even suggested that the FCC not authorize Kuiper because the application was incomplete. The FCC went ahead and stated that the authorization was contingent on providing the additional information.

In reading all this stuff, I realized that the FCC refers to satellites as "space stations", that there is a six year deadline to get half of a constellation's satellites up, and a nine year deadline to get them all up. I went through some math elsewhere to see if they could get the whole thing up by 2026 (six years after the authorization order), when they actually only have to get half up. So they only need about 20 launches in three years to hit that, and they have agreements with three launch providers.

Unfortunately, they chose Vulcan Centaur, New Glenn and Ariane 6.

I was going to throw in a meme about "If you want to do something right, do it yourself", but New Glenn is Jeff's "do it yourself" option. I guess the moral of the story is to get the rocket working first, then come up with payloads. Cart. Horse.
 
Ok, we now have more details about Starshield. From Elon: “SpaceX is building Starshield for the US government, which is similar to, but much smaller than Starlink, as it will not have to handle millions of users. That system will be owned and controlled by the US government.”

So Starshield will use Starlink tech, but it’ll be a completely different satellite constellation. No doubt its own dedicated ground stations too.
 
Starlink has had 105 successful launches and over 4000 operational satellites in orbit. About 650 satellites are still making their way to their operational orbit.
I’m always amazed at how people who you’d think would know about what Elons companies are doing, don’t know anything. At the all in summit, the first questioner (was it Jurvetson?) was surprised when Elon said he was in his plane using Starlink, and then was even more surprised when Elon said some airlines had already installed it.
 
“We were subsidizing terminals but we’ve been iterating on our terminal production so much that we’re no longer subsidizing terminals, which is a good place to be,” Jonathan Hofeller, SpaceX vice president of Starlink and commercial sales, said during a panel at the World Satellite Business Week conference.
Is he saying that initially they were selling the hardware at a loss but now they have reduced manufacturing cost enough so they are making a profit at current pricing?
 
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